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I haven't seen or heard anything from GT5 graphics wise, physics wise, damage wise or mode wise that justifies more than 1 extra year of development time.

Nascar accounts for a good chunk of time, but the customization in forza both mechanical wise, exterior wise and setting wise more than accounts for that in my opinion.

It doesn't matter though as i'll be getting both. I also don't understand why everyone is getting all anal over mentioning forza. In the forza threads people troll bad, this thread is about the intensity of lime jello in terms of trolling.

I only mentioned forza because someone said something about gran turismo has damage now, so it's the definitive racing simulator this gen. I felt the need to point put that forza has extensive damage as well.

In my opinion this is the difinitive era of racing simulators as gran turismo has been challenged and upped the ante in quality for both racers. I don't think any one game will be clearly better than the other when the dust settles though.