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Khuutra said:
appolose said:

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"Energy cannot be created or destroyed"

That is the first law of thermodynamics. 

The first law is actually

The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings
Which is of course to say that according to our observations, energy that goes in = energy that comes out. It's not phrased negatively because you can't make a negative observation.

More, this is just in keeping with observations up to this point. If something popped up that violated thermodynamics (violated entropy) then it would be out the window, good-bye, so long.

It is not possible to eliminate the natural or the physical, only to change one's suppositions. If you have "eliminated every possible physical cause", then no, actually, you haven't, and you are a bad scientist if you lack the imagination sufficient to say as much.

You cannot eliminate all physical causes, not even hypothetically. It violates logic. You don't see how it violates logic, that's ifne, I don't hold it against you, but it also means that continuing the conversation has become pointless.

The "negative version" of that is exactly the same thing; of course you can say it.

And why do you keep bringing up things contradictory observations?  My scenario does not consist of those, as I have said countless times now.

If you mean eliminate as in deductively eliminate, then, of course, you're right.  Likewise, you can never deductively prove anything either, so I'm not sure what your point is.  Science is an inductive process.

In my scenario, if you induced non-physicality, then you've induced supernaturality.



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