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appolose said:
Khuutra said:
appolose said:
Final-Fan said:
It is impossible to "observe" that something cannot happen in the same sense of the word that you observe an apple falling.

Agree or disagree, appolose, please.

Disagree.  I've brought up the first law of thermodynamics multiple times now, which is not at all unlike what I'm proposing.

And we're done here.

Final-Fan, can this end now?

If it's possible to observe that the answer is not physical, how are we done, exactly?

It's not possible to observe that the answer is not physical. You cannot observe the absence of something, only your inability to detect it. Or, rather, it's not possible to observe what something is not, because you cannot perform some kind of negative observation. It is impossible to eliminate the natural or the physical.

That's why we're done. We've come to the impasse, the one great misunderstanding which you do not seem to want to get around. So we're done. There's nothing else to say, and anything past this point would just be repeating points already elaborated on.