Yeesh, some people really do live in the dark ages. This is abuse.

[The_vagabond7]

I can't help but laugh at halogamer's sig. Have you ever heard of the jefferson bible? You know the book he made where he took the philosophies of jesus but removed all the wacky supernatural stuff, and errors that he believed the gospel writers made? Jefferson was a deist who respected the humanist philosophies of Jesus. Even as an atheist I respect some of the philosophies of Jesus, as I do of various religious figures. That doesn't mean that Jefferson was a christian that wanted to make a religious christian state.

He once was quoted as saying about jesus
"To do him justice, it would be necessary to remark the disadvantages his doctrines had to encounter, not having been committed to writing by himself, but by the most unlettered of men, by memory, long after they had heard them from him; when much was forgotten, much misunderstood, and presented in every paradoxical shape. Yet such are the fragments remaining as to show a master workman, and that his system of morality was the most benevolent and sublime probably that has been ever taught, and consequently more perfect than those of any of the ancient philosophers."

He wrote in a letter to John Adams

"In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves."

He thought the doctrines were a bunch of nonsense and the bible a flawed book written by unlearned men who had no idea what they were talking about. But he believed in a deity and he believed that Jesus was a great philosopher. Thusly the reason he stripped out all of the super natural, and left in the philosophy.

If the government supports any one religion then every other religion is under attack by that government. The only way to truly protect religion is to keep it out of the hands of the government all together. But the christian right extremists don't care about protecting religion, they care only about protecting christianity's place in the US culture and US government.

And halogamer, would you say that their is something wrong with the billions of muslims? Would you say their devotion to allah is misguided? I mean you're just 20, and all. How could you make an assessment of billions of people's beliefs? An appeal to numbers is a logical fallacy. If a billion people believe something erroneous that doesn't somehow make it right. Even you as a 20 something I'm sure can find plenty of points to contradict large majorities on.

Your post is full of laughable material, I expect no less. I don't know why I reply, hey BTW are you communist hater? You two talk exactly the same. Either you're the same person, or you read from the same script that somebody is handing out, but damn it's like somebody cloned you.