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Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

I'm not really looking for a theological debate, I'm just posting these because I know CommunistHater hates the fact that the Bible he wants to force on everybody else has ideas that he hates.

Regarding the verse, its not invidual charity if you are killed for not giving.  Ananias sold a piece of property and only gave part of it to the Apostle for redistribution.  This upset Peter so much that he had God kill Ananias.  If charity was not required (I guess that wouldnt be charity), then Ananias not giving away all of his money would not have been an issue.

No.

Ananais was killed for lying.  You did not have to give away everything you own... you didn't have to give away anything.

Ananais however pledged to Peter  that he would sell his land and give away all he owned for the good of the Lord.

Ananais then however sold it but kept some money for himself....

Then he lied about it  to Peter... and in that way to God as well.

He broke his word... that was his sin.  He attempted to look pious as someone who gave all to the lord... when in fact he did not.

Peter actual says this... I mean... fact check.  Come on. 

 

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?  Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

Guess this is another thing you won't have a problem admitting you were wrong about.

Ananias sold a possession, kept back part of the price, brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Nowhere does it say that Ananias was killed for lying about the price of the land, he was killed for keeping some of the money when he shouldnt have.  It would be like paying your taxes and lying about your income so you can keep more money.  Notice how the verse doesnt say anything about Ananias lying about the price of the land, which the verse would have mentioned if that was the point, just that Ananias sold the land and kept part of the price for himself.  Also notice how a precursor to Ananias's story was Barnabus who sold a piece of land and gave all of the money from it to the Apostle, which is further evidence that the point of the story doesnt concern lying about the price of the land, it concerns not giving all of the money to the Apostle.

If the point of the story was that Ananias lied, the part about Barnabus would have emphazised that he told the truth, not that he gave up all of his money.  Also, the opening of the story would have emphasized that Christians tell the truth, not that Christians lived in a community where they shared everything they had.

READ this story: "All Americans pay their taxes.  A man named Bill reported his income and paid 10% of it to the government.  But a man named Aaron lied about his income and only paid part of what he owed, keeping some of it back for himself.  The police came to Aaron's house and told him that he lied to the government and is going to jail."  Its the same story, and its obvious here that Aaron went to jail for lying about his income and paying less taxes, not that Aaron went to jail for lying and that he didnt have to pay taxes if he didnt want to.

I wont debate this with you further, its a useless to do so because for whatever reason you will never admit that you are wrong or you are unable to see that you are wrong.