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Rath said:

Sqrl said:

 

Yes your notation was part of the typical liberal race bait play:

Step 1)

Point out the right's record of racism while ignoring the fact that both parties have a record of racism and that you are essentially playing the "my shit don't stink" party game.  In the event you are called on this trot out bastardized versions of history and if all else fails call the other person a racist!

Step 2)

Play the "I don't want to take away from legitimate dissent" line.  Nobody who thinks about it for 2 seconds is really naive enough to believe that the goal of labeling some of these people as racists is anything other than to marganlize the entire group. But go ahead and say this part anyways, because most people won't give it that much thought, and either way you can claim that you're being reasonable while never actually addressing the legitimate concerns you claim to respect.

Pointing out that you don't want to marganlize legitimate complaints is part of the playbook...."Why...I don't know what yuo mean!  I'm not being unreasonable!!"

You can't be so naive to have not noticed that the only thing the left wants to talk about in regards to the protest is racism....can you?  I mean it is blatantly obvious they have no intention of discussing what they are actually protesting about ...you do see that....right?

 

@Step one. I don't really care about the party history of America. I care about the fact that some elements of the far right has a history of racism, the ultra-conservatives. I also know that some extreme elements of the far-left have a history of racism (ie. Black Panthers) but that still doesn't take away from what I have said.

@Step two. I think I've held multiple arguments on this forum about the legitimate concerns that you, Mafoo and others have about Obama. I don't see how you can claim that I never actually address the concerns. In fact in all those debates I don't think I ever bring up racism, I think the only time I have talked about racism against Obama is in topics about racism against Obama. (Oh and now that I think about it I may have mentioned it in some election topics too).

Edit: @Zucas. I never said that the far right was built upon racism. Don't put words into my mouth.

1) It absolutely takes way from what you said.  Your argument is that the right has a racist past and that undertones of that past are present in their dissent.  But the reality is that both parties have racist pasts and racial undertones are part of American politics in general (pretty much world politics as well).  The point being that you are taking a general truth about American politics and cherry picking it down to a specific subsection for the express purpose of marginalizing.

You say the marginalizing is only meant for those who are "like that" but the nebulous and non-specific condemnation is the rhetorical equivalent of an adult telling a child that there are sharks in the ocean just before he goes for a swim......His chances of being attacked are ridiculously small but now he is terrified of going in any part of the water and for no good reason.  The same way the adult would be a buffoon for not knowing that this is the effect it would have on the child, it is absurd for those making this racism argument to claim they don't want to unfairly marginalize legitimate dissent.  That is exactly what you are doing and, to be blunt,  you have to be blind not to see it.

2) I'll be honest...

I can't remember a single instance where you actually discussed their concerns directly...I of course remember discussions of protesters with members on the left provided that we were focusing on liberal talking points about how they were racists or about how they were a minority (ie discussions that marginalize them) but I can't remember you actually getting involved in a discussion about how Obama is spending 4x faster than any other president, which is an extremely common complaint by protesters.

I don't know maybe I've just missed it but I can't recall a single instance where the protesters have been brought up and racism hasn't been shrieked by at least one liberal in the thread until it was the only topic of discussion...

Even if I am completely wrong and those discussions have happened, the point remains the same.  You (and others of your view) still insist on pointing out the faults of a super-minority of  an undisclosed minuscule"ness" and with no particular examples of the types of racist arguments they've made...ahead of addressing the overwhelming super-majority's arguments.  To the point that it is your very first reaction to the mention of them to the exclusion of the "legitimate" claims of the non-racists you claim to not wish to impugn.