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Kasz216 on 10 September 2009
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Rath said:
The_vagabond7 said:

I would say this is only right from the outside observer, but from your perspective definitely not. If you stepped into a teleporter, it made a bunch of noises, and then nothing happened and you were all like "Hey, what's the deal? Is it broken?" and the guy operating said "eh....just a hiccup, it's working ok...in fact you're already there, it's just something on our end. But don't worry, I've got a special tool for situations like this." And you turn around to find him loading a gun and he says "no, no, turn back around, no need to look over here. Just keep staring straight ahead and I'll have this little situation fixed in a jiffy". Do you willingly stand there and say "excellent, I'll be there shortly...so shortly that I am already there!" Or do you get the hell out because the guy is about to blow your fucking brains out.


Which is why I say that my "self" as it were is not ONLY the material make up, but the persistence of that material make up. If that persistence ends, I end, even if there is a completely identical person somewhere else.

However it also seems to be a persistent series of events for the 'other' me who has arrived at the other end. Both are me and they only diverge after the cloning takes place. So no I would not say 'excellent' because while I may already be there, I also am already here and they are by now two separate and different people.

I do not believe that there is any 'spark' or soul. If you were destroyed and recreated instantly you would continue on as if nothing had happened.

Except... it wouldn't actually be you.

Example.

There are many chevy cavaliers built to exactly the same specifications.

They all aren't the same car.  They are infact many different cars.

The copy after being telereformated would infact be a copy.  Not the orginal you.

The original you would be dead.  The you who walked into the telereformer would cease to be... and it's place would be a different you who thinks he's the original.

The orginal you would be dead... or in Vagabonds scenario... still there.

The original lifeform would of died.  YOU would no longer feel, instead a copy of you would that wouldn't be you.

You as an idividual are committing suicide.


Ironically if you did beleive in a soul... that would have  a chance of the telereformer NOT killing you... but if you don't believe in a soul.  It actually does always kill you.