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Zucas said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Zucas said:

Thank you for introducing us to the simple term called spin.  I'm pretty sure most in there already know what that is so it seems a little unnecessary to have that so long and drawn out. 

It's not spin. It's a lie. Spin is reporting the facts, and the explaining why you think that information is good or bad. What he does, is piece storied together that have nothing to do with each other, to paint a picture of something that's not even there.

It's not spin. It's far worse than that.

NO spin is taking pieces of information and forming it in a way that makes it preferable to your position.  Spin is NOT and let me repeat NOT reporting the facts and giving an opinion.  That is an editorial.  Spin is exactly what I just said... taking bits of information, whether true or false, and forming in a way that is preferable to you.  Or, for how you get the name, spinning it in your direction.  Spin would be taking a single line out of an entire and using that against to represent an entire opinion. 

This is exactly what people like Michael Moore do.  Generally they come out as false statements and half-truths becuase the whole story is not being provided.  Now despite your definition being wrong you seem to get the gist of what it is.  Piecing together stories that may or may not having any relation and putting them to formulate a poing.  The exact definition of spinning.  Also may go under the irrelevance fallacy as well.  But considering spin is all about telling only a piece of the information or taking one bit and exploding it into something it's not. 

It's not technically a lie because what you are saying is based off some factual material.  But you also aren't giving the whole story because you don't provide all important details and facts.  It's essentially half-truths.  Letting them know only what you want them to know to further your argument and in a lot of cases over analyzing one simple thing said and turning it into a million things. 

Michael Moore does what any other political pundit does.  They take half truths and pieces of facts, put them together to form a somewhat coherent argument, and hope that people without much time on their hands will accept it as the whole truth.  Now some of these guys work will include some lies.  I mean if they can sneak pass all this spin why wouldn't they throw a few lies into it.  But for the most part these people are trying to portray the facts... just their twisted, narrow view of it.

 

Sorry, but that’s not correct. An example of Spin, would be to report that unemployment is 9.7%, and then explain why that’s the best thing in the world. I could explain how if it wasn’t for Obama, it would be 40%, and to use the low 9.7% number to mean he is doing a great job.

That’s spin.

What Michael Moore does, is more like this:

At a recent town hall meeting Barney Frank said “Obama is like Hitler”. He should be removed from office for his views on the president.

 

Now, that’s actually true, on a recent town hall meeting, someone arguing with Mr. Frank compared Obama it Hitler, and Mr. Frank said “Someone who thinks Obama is like Hitler is not someone I want to have a conversation with”

Taking “Obama is like Hitler” and distorting it to mean Barney frank thinks Obama is like Hitler, is not spin. It’s no lying either, as he did say it, but it sure is not telling the truth. These are the kinds of tactics Michael Moore uses. Anyone who watches anything he produces, and thinks they are getting any sort of truth, needs there head examined.