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halogamer1989 on 08 September 2009
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mrstickball said:
halogamer1989 said:

I never said American democracy was the goal for Iraq and Afghanistan.  I was referring to the overall boots on the ground mission and length thereof.  For the war part, yes, the US was not at war during the AoConf but it had several small scale revolutions that were put down, i.e. Whiskey Rebellion.  That is what I was comparing Iraq c. 2009 to as to a 2050 Iraq.  Will it blossom, maybe.  Will it go to hell, maybe as well.  On that I have a sense of why you are against the wars.  However, you have to look at it from not 1 perspective but from all perspectives including Republican and military.  I do Dem research all the time.  I don't want to argue with anyone but I do want to have a good debate in which ALL can learn from.

Now on the WWII point, let me clarify.  In war, generals and JCOS advise the Pres, not the other way around.  So Eisenhower and US troops (of which my great-grandfather was one - CB WWII) won the war as well as Roosevelt/Truman.  When I said Nazis that is what the Germans were from '33 to '45.  I like debating w/ you Montana as you are kind of like me but from the oppositer side of the spectrum which is OK.  Like I said before I am not trying to recruit you for the GOP

 

Edit:  Sorry 4 the double.

Actually, Montana isn't from the opposite side of the spectrum. Your very authoritarian and moderately right on economic issues. Montana is right of center, with more libertarian ideologies when it comes to social values (as is Kasz, with myself being extreme right on economic issues, and moderate on social issues). The problem is that we can't really argue from a right/left or lib/conservative standpoint because the fact is that few people truly fit that mold. There are a lot of right-wingers that are more libertarian like the GOP was many years ago before it got its  crazy neo-con streak going. In fact, it may surprise you that at one point, Republicans were non-interventionist.

I am actually very conservative.  I think Keynesian economics is a laughable farce, intrusion except for war surveillance is bad, states should decide what is best not the feds (strong Federalist 45 support), etc.  I tend to favor laissez-faire economics actually.  I am very conservative on social issues but when running for office in the future I would not focus on those (sort of like Bob McDonnell's campaign is doing).  I am not an isolationist in any sense.  I favor preemption only in the case of severe threats to the US.  Anything else I favor CIA Ops/Delta/DEVGRU insertions.  I not for censorship.  110% 2nd Amendment support.