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Just watched both vids, and I honestly mean no insult to the developers at turn 10, but they really need to put their words where their mouths are. The graphics of Forza 3 cannot hold an inch to GT5. The environments don't even look that much better than GT4. Though I'm sure it's just because it's a wooded environment (trees are hard to model) but there's very little lighting effects going on and it all seems so.. dull? Like the colors and stuff, they don't look real. Anyone have a better video? This cant be the final build