Traditional marriage supporters must write J.U.D.E.N. on their window

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Rath said:
@Sqrl. So you essentially believe in removing half of the civil rights that were gained during the 1960's? What you're talking about is essentially re-legalising segregation...

We really do sit at very very different ends of the political spectrum at times.

No, just in removing violations of people's rights that were the byproduct of the movement.  Again, nobody has a right to buy cake, but people should have the right to run their businesses how they please provided they don't violate someone else's rights.  I don't really see how thats a political spectrum thing so much as common sense...but like I said I really didn't expect us to see eye to eye and thats fine.

 

Rath said:

HappySqurriel said:

Every individual should have the right to refuse service to anyone, and everyone has the right to use their freedom of speech to speak out against people when they believe they have been wronged. Over time the consequences from people's actions will result in society being reasonably fair to everyone involved. The act of trying to get people to self identify is simply trying to shame people into conformity and is not acceptable, any more than it would be acceptable to say that all gay people must identify their sexual preference at all times.

 

Now, there is a photographer I know who doesn't take photos of marriages between two men because he believes the photos are generally boring ... he is personally gay but thinks that the variety in color and form from a traditional marriage is far more visually interesting than a bunch of guys in suits. Should he have to justify his decision that isn't hurting business, or be forced to take jobs he doesn't want in place of jobs he does want, because someone has hurt feelings?

I think you're far far too optimistic in saying that society will be fair to all. If for example enough people despise atheists (using this example as they are currently the most hated minority in the USA) then discriminating against an atheist does not provoke the outrage required to force people to change. Same with gays, blacks and every other minority - if enough bigots hate them for who they are then discrimination will happen openly.

Legislation to prevent this discrimination is necessary if you want society to progress.

 He isn't saying society will be fair to all.  Just that it will be reasonably fair.  Life in general is not fair and trying to legislate fairness is easily just as naive, if not more so.  Really when it gets right down to it social engineering on this scale is an incredibly naive concept all around no matter how you go about it. 

Happy and I see your methods as a "Win at all costs" approach that violates people's rights and liberty to get the job done.  If you don't agree fine, but I hope you can at least see where we are coming from.