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Zizzla_Rachet on 02 September 2009
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vlad321 said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
vlad321 said:
heruamon said:
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themanwithnoname said:

This whole thread makes me want to impale myself with a blunt object. I don't get why after the what, 6 years, Xbox Live has been in existence, there are some people, mostly PS3 fans who can't get over that it's not free. Seriously, we have people commenting on here who've never used Xbox Live and whose entire rationale going through life seems to be "If it's free, it must be better." A majority of 360 owners (myself included) think it's worth the money and you get some nice features on the side. Heck, the only games I play online are Halo 3 and Gears 2. I don't get how hard it is for some people to leave threads like these the hell alone, but apparently people seem to get kicks out of starting arguments or impressing their beliefs on others. You're going to convince hardly anyone of anything here, so why bother trying when all it does is turn into a flame war?

Now, please continue your argument about a previous Forza 3 vs. GT 5 argument. *facepalm*

I can assure you I'm no PS3 fanboy and I think paying to play online is ridiculous. Considering you get more and better features on your PC than on a 360, it's ridiculous to pay for an inferior product. I remember when MS started releasinig games for windows LIVE and actually required PC gamers to pay the money to play those games, I still have yet to find or even hear of a person who paid that fee (everyone just played on "illegal" free cracked servers, cause fuck paying to play online). Funnily enough, Games for Windows LIVE no longer requires payment, yet the 360 LIVE does.... Something to think about.

nothing to thing about...sony tried the developer route...and it failed on the ps2...which is why they copied XBL for their psn.  Most serious users of XBL are satisfied with the service received from XBL...and the fee...the major compliants come from people who DON'T  subscribe...WTF?  It would seem that people who dislike 360 would be happy about XBL, since following their logic, people will shift to psn, since it's fee...

I'm not bashing the service at all, it's the price. The service is great and all, but why pay when I have better and free right here on my PC?

 

Edit: Oh yeah, one of the reasons why LIVE is far inferior to PC online. I'll prove it by example: Team Fortress 2 updates for PC - often and free, new L4D content - free. For the 360 from LIVE - Pay to get a hold of and updates for TF2 are accumulated into bigger ones and passed off as DLC and the new L4D content is also DLC(read: you pay for them). In fact they TRIED to deliver them free, but have been forced to make you pay.

So not only you pay for the service, you also pay for shit that should have been free to being with.... No thank you, I'll stay far far away.

 

Becuase not everyone has or plays games on PC....So paying a few some loose change a month for XBL Gold is nothing...

Since when do you have to pay to get an Update?....IF you mean new content...take that up with Valve not XBL...Even if you were a silver member and Valve were to charge you for content..that/s how it would be...L4D content was free on XBL....Really... it was And since you would be able to get them even with out Gold that would make the "you got to pay for  L4D content on XBL" a misinformed statement...I did not pay for L4d DLC...Now...the Upcoming DLC....Well..Valve wants money for it...they bet everything on Green and don't plan to look back...and as to why PC stuff is free....I say it's how MS keeps other OS's behind them in user base

I didn't say L4D updates, I said TF2 updates, which people had to pay for on the 360. Same goes for the "DLC" as you call it. Valve has been outputing content without requireing payment for it long before it even started releasing stuff on the 360. There was a huge argument between them and MS as to why they had to pay for content updates, if you don't remember, so don't start bvullshitting me. L4D has not had a content update yet, this upcoming campaign is what's new.

Also MS does not help out indie programmers, Steam and other easy to distribute services help them out. And don't kid yourself, LIVE is free for windwos because no one would bother paying to play online unless it was an MMO. And I can't believe people are still comparing a game (WoW, Lineage, any other MMO) with a service that allows you to play online (LIVE). The two are utterly different.

 

@heru

Because if it can be done for free, why not make it so? Obviously it can be done for free, and if it could be done for free imagine those companies making people pay for those same mods. How do you think that will fly. Go back to having an alternative to Google that required payment. Would you even bother with it?

It is what it is...It all comes down to who games on PC and who Does not..I don't play on PC (And I did btw Lineage 2 for a long time and paid 15$ to play a game I had alreay purchased..That's your point right?)...I don't mind shelling out five bucks to keep a developer from working on a negative budget....You get what you pay for....that's it...it's seems you like TF2 so your all over this...Live is not charging you for TF2 Valve is...why do you think PC devs are making so many 360 games....They can now make money....and not have to worry about pirates(That much and no where near as much) On PC....A game comes out and is hacked within hours...Example: Guitar Hero 3...A friend got it on PC.....Within five mins of getting it in the house..we had the game running with no CD in the drive and installed on a different PC and Online enabled....Two things the game did not support.....Give it a Rest....PC is what it is...and MS has alot to do with that...you love PC and don't think LIve is worth it...We understand....You atleast are providing a decent argument with the Valve games....The rest of the people here with there "it should be free becuase I don't want to pay"...need to keep it moving ONCE AGAIN Live is not chargin you for DLC....The game devs are...

And your wrong by the way L4D...Survival MODE? you missed that one..with the new campaigns?

And as far as Indie devs go...Atleast MS does not charge them to have their game up on their service like others do....

 

EDIT: DLC by defenition is Downloadable Content..which is what and Update on PC would be.....