Akvod said:
Slimebeast said:
emilie autumn said:
actually, cristianity is the one that introduce this type of hate and intolerance towards things that oppose their beliefs. in ancient greece and roman times, it was completly normal to have sex with a man or women, most roman emperors were bisexual, that is until constantine came and fucked us all. |
Why are you bringing Christianity into this when you don't have a clue.
Tell me one big culture or ethnic group in the world today where homosexuality is openly accepted. If anything, homosexuality is actually most accepted in countries that until recently used to be Christian, or still are.
China, Japan and the rest of east Asia - are they Christian? Were they ever Christianized? No. Is there any place in Asia that comes even close to the West in accepting homosexuality - hell no! And no where in Africa despite a myriad of ethnic divisions and cultures homosexuality is accepted. I urge you to read about the attitude towards homosexuality in African cultures! And it's the same all over the world - all through the history. Homosexuality is a big taboo in all cultures. It's the default state within us.
There's not even strong evidence that the Romans or the Greek were tolerant towards homosexuality at all, many historicans claim it's a damn myth derived from a modern age romanticizing of the boy-lover phenomenon and the Ancient aristocracy's (not common people's) other forms of perverse behaviours behind closed doors.
And the simple explanation to intolerance of homosexuality in humans is that in our genes there's instincts programmed that make us by default feel some level of discomfort and revulsion towards homosexual behaviour, but through different mechanisms - both psychological and cultural - these negative or sceptic feelings can be inhibited in most individuals.
While in homosexual/bisexual individuals the genes (through heritage or mutations) or the brain (due to hormonal dysfunction during pregnancy) is altered:
- so the attraction-sexuality becomes 'reversed' (which mostly creates homosexual individuals)
or
- the revulsion mechanism against homosexual attraction/behaviour becomes de-activated and thus the sexual mind opens itself to socio-cultural programming (which mostly creates bi-sexual individuals)
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While I don't disagree with you (I can't, you're so much more knowledgeable than me), I think that you're replying a bit too much, and assuming too much... I don't think by introducing Christianity he meant that by that fact, all non-Christian states, pretty much "non-western" (although that's a bit bullshit in my opinion, since democratic states like Turkey, are in the EU... although I don't know anything about the country really >.< I have a really nice Turkish family in my neighborhood though). I mean Japan is pretty Western in my opinion, it's a really weird fusion of conservative and new culture. It's like a living contradiction when you walk around.
I think he was just talking about within Europe+Mediteranian (so pretty much where the Roman Empire ruled+Germany, Denmark, etc) with the Christianity comment, not the whole world.
And thinking about what you said (about aristocracy) I think you might be right. Until now, for the most part, I thought that homosexuality/bi-sexuality was accepted in those cultures, at least it's not something a politician would want to reveal... but the problem with history and ancient cultures and languages is that the common people never get heard. We only get to read the poetry of the aristocracy, while we struggle to find vulgar grafiti. I'm sure that the people didn't talk like Cicero and other poets...
How expensives are brothels? I heard that the rich and nobles didn't bother with them since they could buy sex slaves anyway. I'm sure that middleclass people wouldn't go there and soil their reputation, so I'm guessing that it's only the poor and foreign. But haven't there been reports of homosexual art found there? Or were those public baths? And again, do the rich go to public baths? It doesn't seem strange for them to do so, but I feel that the middle/poor class are the ones who most need to go to the Public baths since they can't own one...
Too bad you can't do anything with a history degree >.< Sometimes I wish I was immortal so I can do whatever the fuck I want and learn about what I want without worrying about retirement and getting a good job. If I was immortal I'll just sleep for days (XD when death is pretty much oblivion), wander around, and pretty much waste my time.
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