highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
That's far different from saying Jesus didn't exist.
For example there is no historical evidence for Socrates until after his death.
The evidence comes mostly from his two students... who in reality could of been the same person... and then a parody on philosphers where "Socrates" is portrayed as the lead villian.
The Socrates proof is only slighlty stronger then Jesus because it happend closer to his death.
The truth is though... not much was written about anyone until they were dead... hell not much was written about anyone at all.
None of Socrates work really lives on however.
Jesus was... up until decades after his death... fairly unremarkable compaired to many other people... it wasn't until later that his story became worth writing because his movement started catching on to the mainstream.
Josephus is the biggest Jewish scholar... and he wrote in rome... exactly what the roman emperor wanted him to write... as did everybody in that period. History was a state controlled tool back then.
To say Jesus didn't exist is basically to say nobody existed for sure until we developed video cameras... and do we please have the video tape.
Sure some of Jesus miracles were "top of the line" compared to miracle makers... but why should someone in Rome believe he did it? which is pretty much where all the historians lived. Even the ones who wrote about stuff in Judea.
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I agree, I think the true facts behind most historical figures are highly debatable.
I wouldn't say Jesus didn't exist, the roots of the Christian movement had to start somewhere and I think it *could* started with a group as opposed to a single person. It's just that over time I think the 'group' has been changed to a single person through oral story telling and altering texts.
Perhaps my idea of the Christian movement had a spiritual leader which could be given an approximation to Jesus, but I don't think he is what we would call Jesus Christ* per se...
*I mean one guy travelling the land and helping/teaching people single handedly.
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Except, that's how dozens of similar sects started.
That was common practice for the starting of sects. One charismatic rabi gathering a following and having people following him around "under" him.
It was all interpretation... so there was always going to be one head leader.
His disciples no doubt went out and preached the word too... afterall they all weren't there all the time. However there is no reason to doubt anything written anymore then there is to doubt that socrates came up with everything that he wrote or that Picaso painted everything attibuted to him.
