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I didn't mean quite that, all I meant was that PS2 was successful off of it's ass, but Sony managed to not be able to ride on that and now they're in basically the same boat the Xbox was in last generation. They did a LOT os stuff right last generation, and didn't do nearly as many things right this generation. As they say, hindsight is 20/20, and you can never really tell what's going to do well before it does it. I mean, seriously, who figured that Sony would manage to go from distant first to not-quite-so-distant last? The same could happen to Nintendo or MS next generation.