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Like I said in another thread if you want a fulll blown racing sim you need to play a Simbin game on PC. They are brutal and 90% of Forza/GT fans would not play it more than 10 minutes. Forza and GT are more sim based than arcadey but they are hardly realistic driving sims.

Forza 3 looks so so good though, it and Halo:ODST and tipping me to get a 360 again.