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@ slowmo - yeah id love to see more enviromental damage in games but i think games with this quality of graphics (GT5 & FM3) just wouldnt be able to handle much more effects without impacting on the cars models or having to reduce the amount of cars on the track. I am happy that GT5 does have moveable enviroments. You hit the tyre wall you will see tyres will fly everywhere, barriers will move etc. Which is nicely implemented and shown in these gifs.