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[10:00:23 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo is strangely the one whos going to be doing a lot of the converging! isnt that ironic!
[10:01:13 AM] Shams says: I thought of that as well - the Wii does well in our house as the ultimate convergence device - and its all due to the Wiimote
[10:01:28 AM] John Lucas says: think back to nintendo's old system: the Family Computer
[10:01:31 AM] John Lucas says: those two words say it all
[10:01:48 AM] John Lucas says: the wii in every defintion and angle is the second coming for the FAMILY Computer
[10:01:52 AM] Shams says: Too true - the Wii "is" the FC!!
[10:02:05 AM] John Lucas says: its actually the next step in tech attached to life
[10:02:21 AM] John Lucas says: apple brought computers from mainframe info only to a personal touch
[10:02:31 AM] Shams says: BTW - wouldn't it be classic if we posted this chat as a thread on VG - not sure I want to though ;)
[10:02:36 AM] John Lucas says: microsoft stole their thunder and setup your programming
[10:02:40 AM] John Lucas says: hey let's do it
[10:02:46 AM] John Lucas says: i got my chat history enabled
[10:02:55 AM] John Lucas says: and i always save good convos for later reflection
[10:03:12 AM] Shams says: cool :)
[10:03:22 AM] John Lucas says: tech has become more integrated in people's lives over the decades but theres still some gaps
[10:03:37 AM] John Lucas says: wii represents the whole thing that started in the 70s
[10:03:59 AM] John Lucas says: game console computers and arcades are just different fingers of the extension of technological progress
[10:04:18 AM] John Lucas says: from planes to jets to copters and rockets (space)
[10:04:21 AM] John Lucas says: the future
[10:04:27 AM] Shams says: Its the ultimate - for a mass market price, what can we deliver that lets people do as much as possible? = Wii
[10:04:31 AM] John Lucas says: from the flintstones to the jetsons
[10:04:37 AM] Shams says: LOL :)
[10:04:44 AM] John Lucas says: after ww2 we were prepped for the future
[10:04:51 AM] Shams says: Nice! flintstones = Pong
[10:04:55 AM] John Lucas says: all of asudden roswell in 1947
[10:05:01 AM] John Lucas says: sci-fi novels taking off
[10:05:10 AM] John Lucas says: superpowered humans in comic books
[10:05:13 AM] John Lucas says: space travel
[10:05:18 AM] John Lucas says: 1950s space shows
[10:05:20 AM] John Lucas says: flash gordon
[10:05:22 AM] John Lucas says: sputnik
[10:05:32 AM] John Lucas says: kennedy saying man on moon before decades out
[10:05:48 AM] John Lucas says: star trek mirroring the social climate of the 1960s with race relations and all that
[10:05:54 AM] John Lucas says: then 1969 man on moon
[10:06:07 AM] John Lucas says: computers and tech are related to this whole progression
[10:06:13 AM] John Lucas says: and we were prepped for it
[10:06:24 AM] John Lucas says: sony is a byproduct of that progression. they were TECH
[10:06:33 AM] John Lucas says: transistor radios
[10:07:01 AM] John Lucas says: the nerds who settled in silicon valley were prepped by all those future ruminations in the media
[10:07:05 AM] Shams says: Yup - tech is now COMPLETE
[10:07:13 AM] Shams says: Its just all specialising - smaller chips, etc..
[10:07:22 AM] John Lucas says: now tech instead of being an outside part of life is getting mroe and more inside
[10:07:23 AM] Shams says: Higher density memory
[10:08:09 AM] John Lucas says: it went through it growing pains looking distinct in 1980s to pull in people. they didnt WANT it to look homey and fitting in with the furniture. black black black. charcoal grey, silver hard metallic colors
[10:08:20 AM] Shams says: Its everywhere - just like with automobiles: at first cars were introduced into society - took a long time to become integrated. Now - its assumed, and just about improvement, better models
[10:08:24 AM] John Lucas says: to look futuristic it couldnt be woodgrained
[10:08:30 AM] John Lucas says: that right
[10:08:36 AM] John Lucas says: now we ha e smart cars
[10:08:51 AM] John Lucas says: now tech is being integrated into nature more organically
[10:08:58 AM] Shams says: back to the stages of a market for a product
[10:09:08 AM] John Lucas says: wii represents that by tying into the family dynamic
[10:09:13 AM] Shams says: yup - everywhere - cheap, accessible
[10:09:17 AM] John Lucas says: it melds itself into the family experience
[10:09:33 AM] John Lucas says: which is its name is the way it is. which is why it is small a nd delicate looking
[10:09:36 AM] John Lucas says: feminine even
[10:09:50 AM] Shams says: Its ALL the Wiimote (well mainly). If the Wii has a SIXAXIS, and the PS3 had a Wiimote - what would happen?
[10:09:54 AM] John Lucas says: not to stick out from the background but to meld into surroundings
[10:10:10 AM] John Lucas says: wii would tank like a motherfucker thats what LOL
[10:10:11 AM] Shams says: yup - small, discrete - not loud, brash - not aiming to stick out
[10:10:16 AM] Shams says: :)
[10:10:24 AM] John Lucas says: every now and then catching your attention with a blue light
[10:10:29 AM] John Lucas says: not red like were so used
[10:10:31 AM] John Lucas says: to
[10:10:35 AM] Shams says: Sony might be able to justify price of PS3 with innovation as well
[10:10:41 AM] John Lucas says: red is the color of blood killing danger
[10:10:50 AM] Shams says: Yup, Blue Ocean :)
[10:10:52 AM] John Lucas says: blue is softer its bleach its cleanlinesss its sky
[10:10:57 AM] John Lucas says: see that. its all connected
[10:11:00 AM] John Lucas says: very deep the wii is
[10:11:33 AM] John Lucas says: not weird controls mapped onto a makeshift control device but now iINTEGRATED with natural movement to play
[10:11:37 AM] Shams says: Its funny how many people come to my house - see the Wii. But - they see the Wiimote - not the Wii. They never see the Wii, even though its never hidden away
[10:11:48 AM] John Lucas says: thats right thats right!
[10:12:01 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo was on fire when they came up with ds and wii
[10:12:05 AM] John Lucas says: on fucking fire
[10:12:11 AM] John Lucas says: ingenious as hell man
[10:12:35 AM] Shams says: Iwato is a genius
[10:12:41 AM] Shams says: Iwata ;)
[10:12:56 AM] John Lucas says: the whole company is geniuses, thats why theyre so good
[10:13:07 AM] John Lucas says: theyre taking videogaming to its origins
[10:13:25 AM] John Lucas says: magnavox odyssey, fitting the home with its woodgrain and radio knobs
[10:13:33 AM] John Lucas says: not to intimidate but to ingratiate
[10:13:44 AM] Shams says: no BS corporate heirarchy - small, tight - everyone involved, and part of the design. creative
[10:13:47 AM] John Lucas says: games forall the family to play
[10:13:58 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo worked with odyssey in 1975
[10:14:11 AM] John Lucas says: they were the japanese distributers of odyssey
[10:14:13 AM] Shams says: really?
[10:14:17 AM] Shams says: cool
[10:14:18 AM] John Lucas says: this is when nintendo ha transitioned to toys
[10:14:19 AM] John Lucas says: yes
[10:14:23 AM] John Lucas says: its in wikipede
[10:14:36 AM] John Lucas says: they learned the game from the founder of the whole industry
[10:14:49 AM] Shams says: ahh, brilliant
[10:14:56 AM] John Lucas says: they then made their own pong clones ,their first systems the color tv games of 1977
[10:15:21 AM] John Lucas says: after playing with odyssey they saw the opportunity of videogaming and took this new TOY into the core of their company vision
[10:15:31 AM] John Lucas says: it was all yamauchi trying to spread out from just playing cards
[10:15:37 AM] Shams says: Ninty have *so* many cards up their sleeves with the Wii as well - they haven't even tapped ONE of them
[10:15:40 AM] John Lucas says: love hotels didnt work noodles didnt work
[10:16:12 AM] John Lucas says: he got gumpei yokoi off an assembly line and then transitioned into ANOTHEr area of fun another are of play, toys
[10:16:14 AM] Shams says: price cut, bundles, new regions, colours, new Wiimote, new Wiimote colour, bundle Wiipoints, etc...
[10:16:31 AM] John Lucas says: and videogames are an extension of toys. and that's how nintendo became this kind of company
[10:16:36 AM] Shams says: fascinating history
[10:16:47 AM] John Lucas says: they were the 1st japanese consolers from 1977
[10:16:54 AM] John Lucas says: they brough consoles to japan hometown
[10:17:05 AM] Shams says: tech is so secondary - not essential
[10:17:15 AM] John Lucas says: then game & watch in 1980 put handheld gaming on map save for microvision of a little earlier
[10:17:43 AM] John Lucas says: they brought it to japan first though. and then from there looking at the g&w took that design and made the famicom controller
[10:17:51 AM] John Lucas says: and the FAMILY computer in 1983
[10:17:56 AM] John Lucas says: chaning the whole industry
[10:18:07 AM] John Lucas says: once successful there they said now its time for the BIG money USA
[10:18:24 AM] Shams says: G&W were brilliant - people still know them these days
[10:18:25 AM] John Lucas says: and then after a crash when gaming died they ressurrected it in their onw image
[10:18:30 AM] John Lucas says: very brillaint
[10:18:39 AM] John Lucas says: gumpei's philosophy is what nintendo went back t
[10:18:41 AM] John Lucas says: to
[10:18:43 AM] John Lucas says: their roots
[10:18:50 AM] John Lucas says: videogaming roots as a whole
[10:19:06 AM] John Lucas says: not topline but justgood enough. keep it cheap keep it mass market because that is the biggest market
[10:19:30 AM] John Lucas says: consoles will die without nintendo. it will all go to pc if not for thme
[10:20:01 AM] John Lucas says: game consoles are specialized gaming computers focused only on gaming purposes. and they almost went out of style in the 80s when personal computers got stronger
[10:20:16 AM] Shams says: In a way, Nintendo is till separate from the rest of the industry - people usually don't even count them when doing comparisons
[10:20:17 AM] John Lucas says: remember atari st? and commodore 64? and amiga? and all that?
[10:20:41 AM] Shams says: yup - all PCs really
[10:20:46 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo is beyond their comprehension
[10:20:54 AM] John Lucas says: if not for nes we would be playing pcs
[10:21:04 AM] John Lucas says: and gaming would be niche and would not have gotten this big
[10:21:10 AM] John Lucas says: probably no cellphone gaming either
[10:21:22 AM] John Lucas says: game boy and g&w made portable gaming attractive
[10:21:28 AM] Shams says: yeah, maybe - no casual gaming?
[10:21:29 AM] John Lucas says: and someone said hey lets put this in our phones
[10:21:35 AM] John Lucas says: all of it woulda been dead
[10:21:41 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo came just in time
[10:21:57 AM] Shams says: I still think mobile gaming has come from the "PC" aspect - which is why it still sort of sucks ;)
[10:22:01 AM] John Lucas says: and if they fail it all goes back where it was always destined to go. to pcs
[10:22:08 AM] John Lucas says: partially
[10:22:12 AM] John Lucas says: a bit of both really
[10:22:24 AM] John Lucas says: cause cell phones aint really good for gaming
[10:22:38 AM] Shams says: Nintendo COULD make the DS II a phone (or phone capable) if they wanted - can you imagine a phone that plays DS games?
[10:22:43 AM] John Lucas says: you can play othello reversi whatever poker but its not conducive for very complex games
[10:22:56 AM] John Lucas says: hmmmm i wonder if theyre not already planning that
[10:23:05 AM] John Lucas says: consoles are almost as big as handhelds now
[10:23:17 AM] John Lucas says: handhelds are now basically in some regions THE console
[10:23:27 AM] Shams says: how is that for a market? How many Ninty fans around the world would dump their phone, and pick up a DS phone?
[10:23:35 AM] John Lucas says: homeconsoles are built for a certain home experience
[10:23:45 AM] John Lucas says: if anybody can do it nintendo can
[10:23:59 AM] John Lucas says: look back at malstrom's articles on nintendo's plans for famicom in 80s
[10:24:15 AM] John Lucas says: the stuff were seeing on wii is directly what they tried to do in japan for famicom
[10:24:22 AM] Shams says: yeah, PSP is bordering on non-portable IMO - or at least a specific experience
[10:24:23 AM] John Lucas says: stock market and satellite and all this
[10:24:39 AM] John Lucas says: i think they had an hotline on famicom
[10:24:45 AM] John Lucas says: the iDS
[10:24:47 AM] John Lucas says: hahahaha
[10:24:51 AM] John Lucas says: i-DS
[10:24:58 AM] John Lucas says: apple will be pissed
[10:25:01 AM] Shams says: they had digital distribution in Japan years ago...
[10:25:07 AM] John Lucas says: satellaview
[10:25:09 AM] John Lucas says: yep
[10:25:25 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo is that quirky tech king of japan
[10:25:36 AM] John Lucas says: make old tech new rather than just make new tech
[10:25:37 AM] Shams says: Still think digital distrib on the DS will change everything - and whatever the DS II is, will rock the world
[10:25:42 AM] John Lucas says: sony is the new tech company
[10:25:51 AM] Shams says: yup
[10:25:58 AM] John Lucas says: VC is a test of this already
[10:26:04 AM] John Lucas says: theyre preparing us for it
[10:26:06 AM] Shams says: experience, interface - who cares about the tech?
[10:26:14 AM] John Lucas says: eventually a console will not have much a body
[10:26:23 AM] John Lucas says: things will get smaller and smaller
[10:26:33 AM] Shams says: PS2 << PS3?
[10:26:37 AM] John Lucas says: i think maybe 8th gen is last gen for traditional box console
[10:26:48 AM] John Lucas says: i think by 9th nintendo will be headed toward VR
[10:27:06 AM] John Lucas says: big mistake sony. get smaller not bigger
[10:27:15 AM] Shams says: I don't know if VR as we imagine it is feasible - Wii is pretty close, and getting there
[10:27:16 AM] John Lucas says: unlike in porn the smaller you are tech wise the better
[10:27:22 AM] John Lucas says: get big in density not mass
[10:27:24 AM] Shams says: haha :)
[10:27:43 AM] John Lucas says: ps3 this big fridge
[10:27:49 AM] Shams says: haha :)
[10:27:53 AM] John Lucas says: it looks like one of those posh fridges
[10:27:56 AM] Shams says: PS3 - the fridge - nice one!
[10:27:59 AM] John Lucas says: or a grill as everyone says
[10:28:02 AM] Shams says: PS4 - the house
[10:28:11 AM] John Lucas says: when its standup on end it looks like a fridge
[10:28:14 AM] Shams says: "SimUniverse"
[10:28:23 AM] John Lucas says: thats what they want
[10:28:27 AM] John Lucas says: but will they get it?
[10:28:29 AM] Shams says: Yeah, it does - never liked the shape BTW...
[10:28:39 AM] John Lucas says: looks also lkea grand piano
[10:28:49 AM] John Lucas says: looks expensive as hell just looking at it
[10:28:54 AM] John Lucas says: that does appeal to certain folks
[10:29:02 AM] John Lucas says: i think thats why it does better in europe
[10:29:05 AM] Shams says: Its really smart to disjoint the controller & console as well
[10:29:08 AM] Shams says: (Wii)
[10:29:13 AM] John Lucas says: it was inevitable
[10:29:16 AM] Shams says: They can upgrade them separately
[10:29:25 AM] John Lucas says: who brough wireless to console the N. wavebird
[10:29:25 AM] Shams says: Wiimote II - works with Wii
[10:29:33 AM] John Lucas says: deep
[10:29:33 AM] Shams says: Wii II - Wiimote works on it
[10:29:48 AM] Shams says: DS II --> Wiimote II?
[10:29:55 AM] Shams says: That would be interesting...
[10:29:57 AM] John Lucas says: i think 7th gen will be indefinitely extended
[10:30:05 AM] John Lucas says: cant even fathom
[10:30:10 AM] John Lucas says: its gonna get weird in 8th gen
[10:30:27 AM] John Lucas says: wii is gonna be so beloved. its gonna pass nes is lovability
[10:30:52 AM] John Lucas says: my worry is how can nintendo can transition this audience from the house wii built to their new designs
[10:30:55 AM] Shams says: Wondering if it will turn into something like the iPod - continuous evolution - although it has "generations" as well
[10:31:00 AM] John Lucas says: theyll do it somehow but i just dont know how yet
[10:31:10 AM] Shams says: I wouldn't worry
[10:31:25 AM] John Lucas says: i dont think N will do that with consoles. they do that with handhelds sure but never with consoles
[10:31:31 AM] John Lucas says: addons but never new iterations
[10:31:42 AM] John Lucas says: except after the fact like with NES2 ad SNES2
[10:32:18 AM] John Lucas says: they always say wiis graphics will be outdated.
[10:32:22 AM] Shams says: I don't think its needed for the Wii - although a 1Gig internal mem model would be popular (but transferring data is hard)
[10:32:28 AM] Shams says: Blah - gfx = whatever
[10:32:36 AM] Shams says: Wii = good enough for now :)
[10:32:41 AM] John Lucas says: *I* would say 360's CONTROLS will be outdated more than anytihng
[10:32:48 AM] John Lucas says: they'ere still using that old NES standard
[10:33:01 AM] John Lucas says: we've been playing games the same way for over 25 years!! LOL
[10:33:24 AM] Shams says: I think it is already - but works ok for "hardcore" - that is why hardcore gamers will love 360 - games are forced to be hardcore based on controls
[10:33:34 AM] John Lucas says: controller gripped palms of hands with left and right thumb over controls and action buttons
[10:33:55 AM] Shams says: amazing they haven't done more to it
[10:34:29 AM] John Lucas says: SNES wrinkle with shoulders colorcoding and contours. N64 wrinkle with analog and triggers. Gamecube wrinkle with layout formation and wireless
[10:34:38 AM] Shams says: I don't understand why there isn't a mic in the Wiimote - there is in the DS, and its pretty obvious addition
[10:34:40 AM] John Lucas says: Ms dont know how to change
[10:34:50 AM] Shams says: :)
[10:35:00 AM] John Lucas says: maybe there is. i think thats a secret
[10:35:09 AM] Shams says: maybe holding too close to mouth doesn't make sense - or maybe secret
[10:35:14 AM] John Lucas says: it makes sense after i heard ds had a mic
[10:35:22 AM] John Lucas says: putting the speaker in a controller is just genius
[10:35:29 AM] John Lucas says: those other guys. theyll never keep up
[10:35:35 AM] Shams says: agreed - never saw that one coming
[10:35:37 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo just knows how to make these things
[10:35:52 AM] John Lucas says: i get a kick out of hearing that close up sound on that speakers
[10:36:03 AM] John Lucas says: i never get used to it. it always throws me off but in a good way
[10:36:09 AM] Shams says: I don't know why more things don't use it...
[10:36:19 AM] Shams says: Metroid apparently NEVER uses it!
[10:36:24 AM] John Lucas says: in time they will. its like rumble
[10:36:34 AM] John Lucas says: some dont think about it in the process of gamemaking
[10:36:41 AM] John Lucas says: yeah that woulda been coll wouldnt it
[10:36:53 AM] John Lucas says: use it as built i surround sound
[10:37:00 AM] Shams says: Give Wii 12 months - I think you'll see domination
[10:37:16 AM] John Lucas says: something behidn you and the wiimote speaker shows sounds of the approaching msicreant
[10:37:21 AM] John Lucas says: oh its inevitable
[10:37:35 AM] John Lucas says: its already mighty now when its in prep mode
[10:37:43 AM] John Lucas says: when the 3rd party joins up watch out MS and Sony
[10:37:46 AM] Shams says: hey - its been great chatting, but I had better go - almost 1am here, things to do before sleep :(
[10:37:51 AM] John Lucas says: wow really?
[10:37:54 AM] Shams says: continue another night/day?
[10:37:58 AM] John Lucas says: damn 10:40AM here!
[10:38:00 AM] John Lucas says: yeah!
[10:38:08 AM] John Lucas says: and lets put this up on VGchartz
[10:38:09 AM] Shams says: we started almost 3 hrs ago - not bad!
[10:38:12 AM] John Lucas says: want me to do it?
[10:38:17 AM] John Lucas says: we finally got to talking!
[10:38:44 AM] Shams says: go for it
[10:38:52 AM] John Lucas says: ok i will
[10:39:10 AM] Shams says: sweet - lets see what people make of this one :)
[10:39:12 AM] John Lucas says: great talkng man. get some sleep and ill see you later
[10:39:21 AM] Shams says: will do - have a great day, l8r!
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