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[9:00:39 AM] John Lucas says: i saw gran turismo (the game not the poster) in best buy saturday and it looked nice
[9:01:03 AM] John Lucas says: but the system just seemed so lonely. the wii didnt have that level of graphical output but it looked more inviting
[9:01:15 AM] John Lucas says: sony was played on a sony hd tv btw
[9:01:16 AM] Shams says: Sony will do well with "Gran Turismo" - as its a "fun-less" game
[9:01:25 AM] John Lucas says: yep. realistic sim
[9:01:38 AM] Shams says: Never liked it really, bored the hell out of me - same game every time
[9:01:43 AM] John Lucas says: people wanna create their own "second lives" hahaha wonder what linden labs has to say about that
[9:01:53 AM] John Lucas says: second reality. this is what some people push for
[9:02:03 AM] John Lucas says: uh first reality will always beat second reality
[9:02:23 AM] John Lucas says: games are to escape reality not to match it
[9:02:24 AM] Shams says: Sony might as well have ONE app - HOME...
[9:02:34 AM] John Lucas says: they better hope thisworks
[9:02:40 AM] John Lucas says: i hope it does something for them
[9:02:48 AM] John Lucas says: a second life for free
[9:02:58 AM] John Lucas says: but it looks so markety to me though
[9:03:09 AM] John Lucas says: i hope they make it organic and more easygoing
[9:03:38 AM] John Lucas says: it just reeks of telemarket mail ad spam
[9:03:49 AM] Shams says: distribution and ease of use is important - so its more accessible than SecondLife
[9:04:00 AM] Shams says: agreed - but Sony love that shit
[9:04:05 AM] John Lucas says: ill see how it does
[9:04:07 AM] Shams says: its their own TV network
[9:04:27 AM] Shams says: I just know its not for me - but my girl might like it
[9:04:29 AM] John Lucas says: its that very thing that compelled ms to offset them when they joined the biz
[9:04:45 AM] John Lucas says: sonydoes have that. tv and movie and all kinds of things in their vertical setup
[9:04:50 AM] John Lucas says: it could be an advantage
[9:05:03 AM] John Lucas says: at the heart and soul its always the tech at the root
[9:05:35 AM] Shams says: PS3 works as a device to promote their media - nothing else
[9:05:44 AM] John Lucas says: they have american idol and pop idol to build music stars to move cds and cd players and digidistribute
[9:06:00 AM] John Lucas says: they have sony owned tv shows to move sony tvs
[9:06:05 AM] Shams says: that is why a cheaper, cutdown version (PS4?) woulkd be great - mass market price - just forget games
[9:06:19 AM] John Lucas says: that could be a direction for them
[9:06:30 AM] Shams says: its Apple's direction right?
[9:06:34 AM] John Lucas says: they possibly can exit gaming and finally just combine all devices into a convergence box
[9:06:39 AM] Shams says: Apple beat them to it?
[9:06:42 AM] John Lucas says: is it? i think so
[9:06:49 AM] John Lucas says: yeah whoops
[9:06:57 AM] Shams says: Except Apple have *no* media - ironic!
[9:07:08 AM] John Lucas says: thats the sony vertical advantage
[9:07:20 AM] John Lucas says: a sony tv station freefrom broadcast and cable
[9:07:21 AM] Shams says: pincer movement - Apple, MS & Ninty...
[9:07:44 AM] John Lucas says: at the same time this narrows them as it makes their division redundant
[9:07:55 AM] Shams says: Problem is this though: because they own the media, and NEED to promote it - they can't afford to NOT let it on competiting devices
[9:08:07 AM] John Lucas says: why buy a separate music player when i can buy one all in one at home
[9:08:11 AM] John Lucas says: and that will never work
[9:08:18 AM] Shams says: stick to their own devices only - they kill their media division as well
[9:08:19 AM] John Lucas says: you cant control the flow
[9:08:23 AM] Shams says: yup
[9:08:26 AM] John Lucas says: this is exactly why every media they got fails
[9:08:32 AM] John Lucas says: they try to control the flow
[9:08:39 AM] John Lucas says: their strength became their weakness
[9:08:57 AM] John Lucas says: you want them to buy a SONY disc for a SONY player to play SONY music and people will not cop to that.
[9:08:58 AM] Shams says: exactly - you can't control the entire chain
[9:09:09 AM] John Lucas says: with all these pirates today youre lucky anybody buys anything now
[9:09:14 AM] Shams says: exactly what is happening - and why vertical doesn't work
[9:09:24 AM] John Lucas says: people just say i can download everything and screw all you bitches
[9:09:39 AM] John Lucas says: and you wonder why sony wont learn this after so many decades of this strategy failing
[9:09:53 AM] John Lucas says: they made cd burners and are surprised that people bootleg content
[9:09:55 AM] John Lucas says: hahahahaha
[9:10:13 AM] John Lucas says: i buy a sony cd burner with sony cds and im downloading sony content for FREE! LOLOL
[9:10:19 AM] Shams says: iPod works - because its brand independant
[9:10:30 AM] John Lucas says: let the content flow. you just control the player
[9:10:32 AM] Shams says: *all* music just works
[9:10:34 AM] John Lucas says: ms knows this too
[9:10:42 AM] Shams says: Also why DRM sucks arse - and people hate it
[9:10:46 AM] John Lucas says: the content is the water, the player is the container
[9:10:56 AM] Shams says: Windows is popular - everything runs on it
[9:11:01 AM] John Lucas says: and another why sony will fail. the internet has chaned everything
[9:11:08 AM] John Lucas says: nothing beats free
[9:11:23 AM] John Lucas says: riaa is going down slowly but surely and a new business model has to take place
[9:11:33 AM] John Lucas says: people pay out of respect
[9:11:41 AM] John Lucas says: for artist now.
[9:11:53 AM] Shams says: reasonable price point as well
[9:11:56 AM] John Lucas says: the host company is irrelevant
[9:12:01 AM] John Lucas says: yep
[9:12:17 AM] John Lucas says: it aint 1982 when people aint had no control over recording content
[9:12:24 AM] John Lucas says: they tried to block recordable cassette players
[9:12:37 AM] Shams says: there has to be separation between player and media
[9:12:48 AM] John Lucas says: only issue was quality of recording back then
[9:12:50 AM] John Lucas says: yep
[9:12:53 AM] Shams says: Sony would be smarter to spin off "Sony pictures" to another name (and they do)
[9:12:57 AM] John Lucas says: sony is both sides of the fence
[9:13:04 AM] John Lucas says: it wont work too vertical
[9:13:12 AM] John Lucas says: and it will topple like piza
[9:13:17 AM] Shams says: Its not compelling enough
[9:13:29 AM] John Lucas says: sony needs to get back to roots
[9:13:32 AM] John Lucas says: just tech
[9:13:34 AM] Shams says: Look at Pokemon - works great for Ninty
[9:13:39 AM] John Lucas says: make players and devices
[9:13:42 AM] Shams says: yup
[9:13:45 AM] John Lucas says: stop controlling content
[9:13:56 AM] John Lucas says: it worked once back when people had no access but it doesnt work now
[9:14:05 AM] John Lucas says: theyre becoming a stale giant
[9:14:11 AM] Shams says: Owning media is ok - but there can be NO relationship between divisions - basically a separate company
[9:14:15 AM] John Lucas says: they will shrink because of this
[9:14:27 AM] John Lucas says: but it will be for the best
[9:14:28 AM] Shams says: Would Sony want to NOT release Spiderman 3 game on 360?
[9:14:41 AM] John Lucas says: they still get the profits right?
[9:14:43 AM] John Lucas says: exactly
[9:14:48 AM] Shams says: there is "perceived" advantage from vertical - its actually the opposite
[9:15:06 AM] John Lucas says: im about to coin a new term: internal conflict of interest?
[9:15:37 AM] Shams says: efficiency in just doing one thing - and doing it well - i.e. Apple are owning "funky" hardware these days (not necessarily best tech, but best design)
[9:15:40 AM] Shams says: nice :)
[9:15:50 AM] John Lucas says: thank you
[9:16:24 AM] John Lucas says: ms works with nintendo on ds letting their 360 properties show up on N's systems
[9:16:27 AM] Shams says: This is why Ninty are different - the hardware is an *extension* of the software - nothing more - and why if they stop making hardware, they will also stop software
[9:16:34 AM] John Lucas says: exactly
[9:16:36 AM] Shams says: Exactly!
[9:16:50 AM] Shams says: Viva on the DS is a masterstroke
[9:16:53 AM] John Lucas says: and while they add a few extra touches its always rooted in gaming
[9:16:56 AM] John Lucas says: it belogns there
[9:17:06 AM] John Lucas says: rare is still a nintendoite. they been with em too long
[9:17:15 AM] Shams says: yup - all based around fun / entertainment
[9:17:16 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo has rubbed off on these guys
[9:17:27 AM] John Lucas says: theyre the quirky british nintendo
[9:17:40 AM] John Lucas says: i think they regret the move to ms now
[9:17:50 AM] John Lucas says: stamper bros left, the others guys left to form free radical
[9:17:58 AM] Shams says: I have the feeling MS would *like* Viva on the Wii as well - also gets them lots of support from Ninty fans
[9:18:09 AM] John Lucas says: nintendos problem was control over 3rds. telling them what to make and all that
[9:18:11 AM] Shams says: But hurts their "casual" 360 message too much
[9:18:16 AM] John Lucas says: viva pinata belongs on wii
[9:18:21 AM] John Lucas says: it would be blockbuster
[9:18:30 AM] John Lucas says: there IS no casual 360! HAHAHA
[9:18:44 AM] John Lucas says: the design and soul of that property wards off a certain audience
[9:18:50 AM] Shams says: What MS should do - openly drop the Arcade SKU, and say 360 is "hardcore only"
[9:18:54 AM] John Lucas says: its a little friendlier than original xbox but not much
[9:19:08 AM] John Lucas says: which is a small base but a loyal one
[9:19:19 AM] Shams says: Its a typical MS evolution of device/platform
[9:19:24 AM] John Lucas says: you know i used to laugh before al systems launched
[9:19:40 AM] John Lucas says: companies never stray far from their DNA do they?
;)
[9:19:49 AM] Shams says: they can't can they?? ;?
[9:19:58 AM] John Lucas says: i used to hear people
[9:20:04 AM] Shams says: cease to become that company really
[9:20:29 AM] John Lucas says: talk about how nintendo won an era then sony won an era and now its only right and logical that it was microsofts turn to win an era
[9:20:50 AM] Shams says: MS should do anything they can to win over Ninty fans... bring ALL their games to the DS ;)
[9:20:58 AM] John Lucas says: totally perception over reality, POV over fact, a common human mistake
[9:21:18 AM] Shams says: too right - people massively oversimplify things
[9:21:19 AM] John Lucas says: wii60 was an omen and its TOO coincidental how NoA and MS HQs are so next door to each other in redmond
[9:21:35 AM] Shams says: they have some form of working relationship
[9:21:39 AM] John Lucas says: got to be
[9:21:47 AM] John Lucas says: sony knows this too which is why theyre panicking
[9:21:50 AM] Shams says: Sony is openly aggressive, and doesn't want to work with ANYONE
[9:22:03 AM] Shams says: piss of MS (pro Linux) & Ninty
[9:22:05 AM] John Lucas says: almost makes you wonder if nintendo didnt set ms up as contender to offset sony
[9:22:17 AM] Shams says: or other way around - or collude
[9:22:30 AM] Shams says: it sort of feels like a collusion to me... :P
[9:22:35 AM] John Lucas says: one way or another theres some kind of cooperation between em
[9:22:49 AM] John Lucas says: ms knows as an outsider they cant take out the old oak tree of this business
[9:23:02 AM] John Lucas says: everybody knows nintnedo IS the gaming industry not just a part of it
[9:23:08 AM] Shams says: I wouldn't trust MS though - if Sony quit, ?Ninty is next target
[9:23:11 AM] John Lucas says: without them this thing goes purely computers
[9:23:21 AM] John Lucas says: but they wont be able to take em. i guarantee
[9:23:26 AM] John Lucas says: look at zune
[9:23:36 AM] John Lucas says: ms doesnt understand videogaming
[9:23:48 AM] John Lucas says: they come at it from a network software perspective
[9:23:55 AM] John Lucas says: gaming IS software but its a special software
[9:24:14 AM] Shams says: MS approach - you can't outspend us, so we will never die - its hard to beat something that never dies
[9:24:17 AM] John Lucas says: every company that got into gaming had a logical progression of degrees of separation
[9:24:28 AM] John Lucas says: oh theyll die itll just take a long time
[9:24:33 AM] John Lucas says: or theyll just get tired and go home
[9:24:37 AM] Shams says: it might take them 100yrs to be competitive...
[9:24:46 AM] John Lucas says: i see he #2 scenario most of all
[9:24:46 AM] Shams says: Yeah - shareholders will get sick of things
[9:24:56 AM] John Lucas says: of course even MS has its limits even though theyre long
[9:25:06 AM] Shams says: Still a REAL chance MS could exit the industry too...
[9:25:10 AM] John Lucas says: and ms' monopoly isnt totally secured either
[9:25:20 AM] John Lucas says: oneday someone will upset their OS monopoly
[9:25:21 AM] Shams says: big public company, blowing money on something non-essential
[9:25:29 AM] Shams says: agreed
[9:25:33 AM] John Lucas says: theyre not serious about this business
[9:25:36 AM] John Lucas says: this is a game to them
[9:25:41 AM] John Lucas says: ironic isnt it. a game
[9:25:51 AM] Shams says: In a way, all these devices are some form of risk - I'm using Wii more and PC less
[9:25:53 AM] John Lucas says: this is a play to diversify and protect their larger interests
[9:26:05 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo knows what a console is
[9:26:20 AM] John Lucas says: ken kutaragi was right ps3 IS a computer
[9:26:22 AM] John Lucas says: and so is wii
[9:26:23 AM] Shams says: as its been said - commonly known that MS entered to block Sony from owning living room
[9:26:25 AM] John Lucas says: and so is snes
[9:26:28 AM] John Lucas says: and so genesis
[9:26:42 AM] John Lucas says: all of them are actually computers but SPECIALIZED computers
[9:26:47 AM] Shams says: Its come down to applications and use - exactly
[9:26:49 AM] John Lucas says: specialized for gaming only purposes
[9:27:05 AM] Shams says: for me to chat to you like this, I can't easily do it sitting 5m from my TV on my couch
[9:27:06 AM] John Lucas says: general comps like the one were typing on have too much processing and running the background
[9:27:24 AM] Shams says: I think its a interface thing - rather than power
[9:27:26 AM] John Lucas says: it doesnt make for the best of gaming experiences especially for complex games
[9:27:40 AM] Shams says: my PC is optimised for chat/internet browing more than anything else
[9:27:42 AM] John Lucas says: yep and interfdace is another part of it too which is why you can define a console by its controller
[9:27:53 AM] John Lucas says: pcs are jack of all trades masters of none
[9:28:02 AM] Shams says: exacly - soon power will be irrelevant
[9:28:11 AM] John Lucas says: they do a little of everything and to get them more specialized you have to spend and customize
[9:28:16 AM] John Lucas says: which is costly
[9:28:28 AM] John Lucas says: sure you can run games on a pc but it takes so much
[9:28:58 AM] Shams says: but I don't play games on my PC anymore - primarily due to interface - and partially due to CPU
[9:29:02 AM] John Lucas says: and pc gaming is wildwest. no solid rules there. every makes their own rules which is a strength of pc gaming and something that always needs to remain. but thats bad for a consoel experience
[9:29:25 AM] Shams says: PC gaming = FPS & RTS - almost only these days
[9:29:30 AM] John Lucas says: ps3 shoulda known not to play that game. future proof my ass. its already outdated
[9:29:36 AM] Shams says: And Will will challenge those
[9:29:38 AM] John Lucas says: and that's why it will always be niche
[9:29:48 AM] Shams says: yup
[9:29:56 AM] John Lucas says: pc gaming used to be more diverse but not anymore
[9:30:07 AM] John Lucas says: it sells to a dedicated base but it never expand
[9:30:08 AM] Shams says: I always find the 360 more appealing, as its more a PC - but also a console - PS3 is less PC
[9:30:18 AM] John Lucas says: the high end side anyway. the flash parlor game is expanding
[9:30:26 AM] Shams says: unnecessarily complex (PS3)
[9:30:33 AM] John Lucas says: the low end pc gaming like text twist and all that kind of jazz is moving forward
[9:31:01 AM] Shams says: studying casual a lot at work these days
[9:31:09 AM] Shams says: interesting
[9:31:14 AM] John Lucas says: and see the danger what people dont understand is that consoles are a mutant hybrid
[9:31:18 AM] Shams says: mobile will be huge - its happening
[9:31:20 AM] John Lucas says: in actuality they shouldnt exist
[9:31:25 AM] John Lucas says: oh yeah another branch
[9:31:36 AM] John Lucas says: thank the microvision game &watch and game boy
[9:31:57 AM] John Lucas says: hold on phone
[9:32:05 AM] Shams says: ok
[9:32:17 AM] John Lucas says: prank call
[9:32:19 AM] John Lucas says: anyhow
[9:32:29 AM] Shams says: really? wtf?
[9:32:40 AM] John Lucas says: no one on phone. silence. happens
[9:32:58 AM] John Lucas says: consoles came about in a time when tech and people werent as married as they are today
[9:33:02 AM] John Lucas says: think back to 1972
[9:33:18 AM] Shams says: get that a lot - a lot of marketing companies use automatic dialing machine things..
[9:33:29 AM] John Lucas says: ralph baer the father of videogaming AKA digital gaming of a Tv screen. Television TeleVIDEO
[9:33:49 AM] John Lucas says: is that whatthat is? i had a feeling.
[9:34:07 AM] John Lucas says: i get spanish telemarketers now! annoying! all the mexican influx
[9:34:16 AM] Shams says: it can be - some of them wait and listen for a voice, then will switch to a person if one happens
[9:34:40 AM] John Lucas says: but back to 1972. think about tech at that time
[9:35:05 AM] Shams says: tech was hard - it was new
[9:35:05 AM] John Lucas says: the most tech stuff we had back then (or rather our people had back then if we were not born yet) was a B&W TV a radio
[9:35:19 AM] Shams says: unique, new experiences
[9:35:23 AM] John Lucas says: regular appliances like toaster fridge
[9:35:34 AM] Shams says: yup
[9:35:37 AM] John Lucas says: but tech surrounding you back then wasnt a reality
[9:35:49 AM] John Lucas says: thats why odyssey came in woodgrain to match the furniture
[9:35:54 AM] John Lucas says: everything was woodgrained
[9:35:57 AM] John Lucas says: hahahahaha
[9:36:01 AM] Shams says: LOL, true :)
[9:36:11 AM] John Lucas says: everything was big giant radio knobs
[9:36:16 AM] John Lucas says: turn dials
[9:36:26 AM] John Lucas says: to make it accessible and more appealing to the touch
[9:36:48 AM] John Lucas says: tech nerds of the era. the phone phreakers and stuff. tech didnt bother them but they were a special type of people
[9:37:02 AM] John Lucas says: most people couldnt deal with a ham radio and all that
[9:37:08 AM] John Lucas says: 8-track
[9:37:18 AM] Shams says: it was all accepted - just what people had, what they were used to
[9:37:20 AM] John Lucas says: big clunky ass tape jammed into a plug to play music
[9:37:27 AM] Shams says: electronics was new
[9:37:32 AM] John Lucas says: its all an extension of the space program too
[9:37:47 AM] Shams says: :)
[9:37:48 AM] John Lucas says: weve been prepped for"da future" since WW2 and even before that
[9:38:04 AM] John Lucas says: in 1850 things were very primitive compared to now techwise
[9:38:18 AM] John Lucas says: in 1900 who knew that planes could fly in th sky
[9:38:22 AM] John Lucas says: a flying machine
[9:38:36 AM] John Lucas says: those flying wierdos with thosre contraptions, those crackpots
[9:38:48 AM] John Lucas says: 10 years later theyre flying planes in wars
[9:38:51 AM] Shams says: Project 10 years in the future - what then? kids born now, by the time they grow to age of 10 - 10yrs past PS3?
[9:39:06 AM] Shams says: tech that is in PS3 will be redundant, cheap
[9:39:08 AM] John Lucas says: 10 years after that someones flying all around the earth in one trip
[9:39:14 AM] John Lucas says: yep redundant
[9:39:23 AM] John Lucas says: tech is a keeping up with jones affair
[9:39:30 AM] John Lucas says: you have to make a mark astick with it
[9:39:40 AM] John Lucas says: wii understands this. good enough is good enough
[9:39:50 AM] John Lucas says: there IS no best tech that will stay best tech
[9:39:53 AM] John Lucas says: it moves too fast
[9:39:58 AM] Shams says: its about price point more to the point
[9:40:12 AM] Shams says: you pick a mass market price - and design something for that price
[9:40:12 AM] John Lucas says: which is another reason why best tech never wins
[9:40:20 AM] Shams says: yup - never
[9:40:29 AM] John Lucas says: its the pyramid of life. more poor than rich. alwyas will be due to thegreed of mankind
[9:40:41 AM] John Lucas says: hd dvd and blu ray both obsolete
[9:40:47 AM] Shams says: agreed
[9:40:51 AM] John Lucas says: something non disc like will render both of them useless
[9:41:03 AM] John Lucas says: itll probably cubelike or card like in form or something
[9:41:11 AM] Shams says: all they are doing is introducing people to high-definition movies
[9:41:16 AM] John Lucas says: it wont be all digi distribute itll be half and half
[9:41:21 AM] John Lucas says: aint that much of a difference
[9:41:23 AM] Shams says: always though that
[9:41:33 AM] John Lucas says: people still like to hold stuff
[9:41:34 AM] Shams says: (thought)
[9:41:49 AM] Shams says: give me a HD movie on DS cart anyday
[9:41:52 AM] John Lucas says: they focus on tech over people. you gotta understand people
[9:41:58 AM] John Lucas says: yep
[9:41:59 AM] Shams says: DS II - with HDMI output?
[9:42:04 AM] John Lucas says: who knows
[9:42:16 AM] John Lucas says: hd has been in japan since 1965 am i correct?
[9:42:24 AM] John Lucas says: its not even a big deal to them over there i dont think
[9:42:39 AM] John Lucas says: and 2009 is only the upgrade from analog signal to digital signal not sd to hd
[9:43:06 AM] Shams says: In some form - I thought closer to '85 - but its no revolution - its just a increased revolution for heavens sake
[9:43:14 AM] John Lucas says: HDDVD & BluRay = DRM
[9:43:26 AM] Shams says: digital has benefits - higher res much, much less so
[9:43:34 AM] Shams says: (tape --> CD)
[9:43:48 AM] John Lucas says: exactly...seeable benefits from that upgrade
[9:44:00 AM] John Lucas says: yet i was still collecting cassettes even up to 2003!
[9:44:04 AM] Shams says: Sony used to do well with high-grade tech
[9:44:11 AM] John Lucas says: you gotta look at the poor folk which i am a part of
[9:44:18 AM] Shams says: tech was hard - they did reliable stuff, made MORE profit from it
[9:44:19 AM] John Lucas says: we are the last the jump on anything
[9:44:23 AM] John Lucas says: yep
[9:44:34 AM] John Lucas says: i think when company founder died that all got fucked up
[9:44:37 AM] John Lucas says: they lost direction
[9:44:39 AM] Shams says: but - as tech becomes easier, you can't do it - Sony outsourced to Japan
[9:44:59 AM] Shams says: the market killed them - their one competitive advantage - tech - had vanished
[9:45:04 AM] John Lucas says: theyve outlived their usefulness
[9:45:09 AM] John Lucas says: evolution of nature
[9:45:22 AM] John Lucas says: in a time when tech was rare like in 1940
[9:45:24 AM] Shams says: I used to buy ALL Sony hardware - but in last 10 years its been all crap - dodgy shit
[9:45:29 AM] John Lucas says: they were the boon!
[9:45:37 AM] Shams says: yup - like an R&D company
[9:45:45 AM] John Lucas says: and quality is most important of all which is another reason why i like nintendo
[9:45:48 AM] John Lucas says: make stuff that lasts
[9:45:53 AM] Shams says: so what do they do? try to make MORE tech - CELL!!
[9:46:04 AM] John Lucas says: stuff used to last a lifetime. they used to be craftsmanship involved
[9:46:16 AM] John Lucas says: cell is a dragonball Zcharacter to me
[9:46:18 AM] Shams says: And once its done - they try to use in something to make them money... and look what happens
[9:46:26 AM] Shams says: LOL - nice quote :)
[9:46:29 AM] John Lucas says: i keep seeing trunks and gohan fighting him when someone says that name
[9:46:44 AM] Shams says: "Power of da CELL!"
[9:46:55 AM] John Lucas says: "you can pump up your little muscles trunks but that doesn't mean anything if you cant hit anyone"
[9:46:56 AM] Shams says: "SPU 8 ENABLED!!"
[9:47:08 AM] John Lucas says: tech tech tech. wheres the love? wheres the soul?
[9:47:38 AM] Shams says: Maybe SONY need to leave the tech race? scary, but maybe its true?
[9:48:00 AM] John Lucas says: theyre gonna have to reinvent themselves thats for sure if they wanna survive
[9:48:15 AM] John Lucas says: in 1927 they were flying planes acorss the world
[9:48:24 AM] John Lucas says: roughly 10 years after that they got jets
[9:48:27 AM] John Lucas says: andthen jets in wars
[9:48:29 AM] Shams says: pure content?
[9:48:49 AM] Shams says: outsourcing the chip factory? maybe its happening?
[9:48:49 AM] John Lucas says: superplanes and then the spruce goose
[9:48:58 AM] John Lucas says: ps3 reminds me of spruce goose
[9:49:25 AM] John Lucas says: or is that spruce moose. im probably getting that confused with that ducktales parody
[9:49:37 AM] Shams says: I loved that analogy on gamesindustry - new SKUs like pilot throwing stuff overboard, to take off the ground :)
[9:49:48 AM] John Lucas says: i dont know what theyre gonna do. sonys at a crossroads
[9:50:01 AM] John Lucas says: the stuff they were doing good at they let others like samsung steal their thunder
[9:50:19 AM] John Lucas says: both wii and 360 in that best buy were on samsung tvs btw
[9:50:49 AM] Shams says: it all depends on competitors - but I see them being pincered
[9:50:53 AM] John Lucas says: i dont think theyll leave tech but theyll reinvent themselves in how they doit. theres gonna be a massive fallout because of the ps3s failure
[9:50:56 AM] Shams says: stick with content
[9:51:08 AM] John Lucas says: layoffs coming big time
[9:51:10 AM] John Lucas says: massive
[9:51:20 AM] Shams says: Look at this one...
[9:51:20 AM] John Lucas says: theyre gonna have to restructure the entire company
[9:51:44 AM] Shams says: Spiderman is a Sony IP... yet its on all consoles for profit reasons - it has to be, can't hurt the brand
[9:51:53 AM] John Lucas says: smart.
[9:51:54 AM] Shams says: Say - they make a R&C MOVIE
[9:51:59 AM] Shams says: And it does well...
[9:52:06 AM] John Lucas says: gets the name out there to new audiences
[9:52:18 AM] Shams says: Do they bring it to all consoles? to boost the IP and help sell the movie?
[9:52:27 AM] John Lucas says: if they were smart
[9:52:32 AM] Shams says: drop the platforms - focus on content
[9:52:33 AM] John Lucas says: but theyre trying to play it like nintendo
[9:52:43 AM] John Lucas says: forgettign that nintendo is set up differently
[9:53:05 AM] John Lucas says: mario doesnt go anywhere but nintendo because of how their company is set up. they can play that game because of the companys DNA
[9:53:08 AM] Shams says: exactly - Ninty confuses them :)
[9:53:20 AM] John Lucas says: plus nintendo makes their stuff culturally resonant
[9:53:23 AM] Shams says: Pokemon has movies - but its VERY secondary
[9:53:27 AM] John Lucas says: marios more known than mickey mouse
[9:53:37 AM] John Lucas says: its all about the character, the mascot
[9:53:42 AM] John Lucas says: they learned this from disney
[9:53:50 AM] Shams says: Mario has NO movies - nor has Zelda, etc... (nothing big anyway)
[9:53:55 AM] John Lucas says: in the 50s when yamauchi got involved with those disney cards
[9:53:59 AM] Shams says: The games, the entertainment matter
[9:54:03 AM] John Lucas says: the game IS the movie
[9:54:13 AM] John Lucas says: they dont have an identity crisis on who they are
[9:54:16 AM] Shams says: And lets remember - Pokemon is a NEW company - its NOT Nintendo (just partially owned)
[9:54:21 AM] John Lucas says: their vision is solid
[9:54:23 AM] John Lucas says: yep
[9:54:33 AM] John Lucas says: the show is only to promote the game
[9:54:36 AM] Shams says: Allows them to spin off mechandise, movies, cartoons
[9:54:39 AM] John Lucas says: not the other way around
[9:54:42 AM] John Lucas says: toys
[9:54:42 AM] Shams says: yup
[9:54:56 AM] John Lucas says: sony has no soul in gaming
[9:55:07 AM] John Lucas says: what character represents fully "sony gaming"
[9:55:12 AM] John Lucas says: that link i showed you
[9:55:17 AM] Shams says: yeah, isn't one...
[9:55:22 AM] John Lucas says: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=8106
[9:55:25 AM] Shams says: A car?
[9:55:28 AM] John Lucas says: hahahaha
[9:55:32 AM] John Lucas says: and that can be anybody
[9:55:50 AM] Shams says: R&C? but badly known, no one will know it
[9:55:55 AM] John Lucas says: crahs bandicoot and abe odyssee were pseudomascots but sony has never had a soul
[9:56:11 AM] John Lucas says: even ms has used bungies masterchief to represent who they are
[9:56:20 AM] John Lucas says: pc gaming brought to console. fps fps fps
[9:56:34 AM] John Lucas says: so ms has some semblance of an identity
[9:56:57 AM] John Lucas says: read what i wrote in that link i just sent you. i bring michael jackson into it and all
[9:57:25 AM] Shams says: yeah, that thread - classic :)
[9:58:14 AM] John Lucas says: MJ when we sung for motown sang for a company with an identity
[9:58:21 AM] John Lucas says: there was a "Motown Sound"
[9:58:40 AM] John Lucas says: that drum ruffle that got put into four tops and temptatations song
[9:58:50 AM] Shams says: I guess that is REALLY the #1 issue with the PS3 - you can't release a "platform device" when majority of content won't run on your platform
[9:58:59 AM] John Lucas says: sound of the auto industry mechanization in music form
[9:59:03 AM] Shams says: Wii was always going to win - thanks to VC
[9:59:19 AM] John Lucas says: nintendo's identity in full force
[9:59:30 AM] John Lucas says: VC is the underheralded aspect of wii
[9:59:37 AM] John Lucas says: thats straight money for nintendo
[9:59:41 AM] Shams says: But also Sega + other platforms
[9:59:44 AM] John Lucas says: and its a celebration of history too
[9:59:54 AM] Shams says: And WiiWare - I'll tell you what - PC software
[10:00:00 AM] John Lucas says: thats right...it shows you that even its old rivals. nintendo respects gaming
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