Second Civil War Coming to USA?

[TheRealMafoo]

SciFiBoy said:

TheRealMafoo said:

SciFiBoy said:

1. in the UK, the welfare state does not ensure you success, merely a basic standard of life, so you can pursue success.

2. wrong, stupid misrepresentation of how state housing works, state housing buys houses from private companies to lease to people or the government itself gets pays people to build the houses in the first place, which is also good as it creates jobs for people. 

1. Being able to live without having to do anything, is success.

2. Either state run housing is profitable, or they are taking money from someone to pay for it. That's removing someone's property (money), for the sole purpose of giving it to someone else.

1. not how i define it

2. again, not how i see it

would you prefer that people were on the streets? 

I would prefer everyone have the opportunity to be successful. What they do with that opportunity is unimportant to me. If they don't do anything with it, and starve on the street, well, that was there choice.

I think government needs to pick up the slack where it fails in opportunity, but the goal should be to increase opportunity, and decrease government support, not the other way around.