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Well one thing is sure...Zune HD day 1

Especially if the amazon leaked prices turn out to be true. 289 for 32 gig model...thats 110 bucks cheaper than an Itouch

So its cheaper and on top of features that are exlusive to Zune HD you get a bonus...you won't ever get asked "is that an iphone?" and have to reply with " No its just Itouch..."