US Universal Healthcare: How are we going to pay for it?

[Kasz216]

highwaystar101 said:

Kasz216 said:

Anything it does that's biased to force people to choose something. Not just anything.

For example taxes only on some things.

Having signle item taxes is the government saying "This is bad. So we're going to charge you more." This is immoral. Also it's costing your government money.

It's the WORST of both worlds.

You keep ignoring the fact that you are charging smokers more for DECREASING the cost to NHS.

It's like charing people who DON'T use the roads.

 

I haven't side stepped it at all. You took a study from Holland reported on an obscure British website to try and prove your point, I acknowledged that and shown you how the figures were not applicable at all because Britain works in a very different way to Holland. Then I went on to demonstrate how even if they are cheaper concerning medical bills they are still far more expensive than healthy people when you take in all considerations. Smokers pay for themselves, you pretty much have to accept this because the evidence exists, they cost £5bn to treat per year and provide £10bn in taxes, and the tax done not immoral IMO because it is like half the other taxes out there.

And also it is only "immoral" for those who are socialist... Are you a socialist Kasz? Because a capitalist wouldn't say it is immoral to charge people more for a more expensive service.

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My girlfriend (who is a doctor for the NHS) wants me to make the arguement that any small tax that goes to creating a better quality of life for the people that pay it cannot in any way be immoral, and is no more immoral than any other tax the government collects.

A) So it's not immoral to tax someone for being muslim if it goes to healthcare?

B) Those other costs are completly irrelvent to the government.

C) the differences between the UK and holland wouldn't effect the prices of this stuff.