US Universal Healthcare: How are we going to pay for it?

[Kasz216]

highwaystar101 said:

Kasz216 said:

But when looking at NHS smoking SAVES money... as you saw in that article.  Other costs are assosiated that may increase it beyond... but those have nothing to do with NHS.

Also Social Engineering is the process of trying to influence large societies of people.

That's the correct term.  It's the terms politicians in the US talk about when they talk about this kind of stuff.

When you pass a law to get people to quit smoking or use less gas.  That is social engineering.

Like I said.  It's the government using it's influence and treating people differntly to try and get them to acti differently.  WHILE praying on those with addictions.

It's horrible.

We do it in the US all the time.  Throw an extra dollar of taxes on cigarretes for a new stadium, or schooling, or for a new muesuem.

It's just a way to tax people who have an addiction and who already have less disposable income then someone who makes the same amount of money because they're feeding their addiction.

Social engineering is anything done to influence large societies? but going by that logic everything the government chooses to do would be social engineering, whether it raises taxes, lowers taxes, what it teaches in school, what laws it passes and even that a government exists at all. also they are not preying on addictions that's totally unfair. I use the road, I pay for the road... I choose to smoke, I pay for treatment.

Going by your logic you have been supporting social engineering more than me in any case because you have been suggesting that lowering taxes to cause more people to smoke would save money.

So which way do you want it?

Social engineering by lowering taxes so that smokers die younger saving millions in healthcare? Or social engineering by having smokers pay a bit more for their healthcare through taxes so they can recieve treatment? by definition both are social engineering.

Anything it does that's biased to force people to choose something.  Not just anything.

For example taxes only on some things.

Having signle item taxes is the government saying "This is bad.  So we're going to charge you more."  This is immoral.  Also it's costing your government money.

It's the WORST of both worlds.

You keep ignoring the fact that you are charging smokers more for DECREASING the cost to NHS.

It's like charing people who DON'T use the roads.