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akuma587 on 08 August 2009
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Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
 

I don't really see you point.  You said that the Nazi's were neither capitalistic or communistic, but a mix of both.  That's exactly what I just said, that fascism is somewhere in between capitalism and socialism with elements of both.  In many ways it is closer to communism and in many ways it is closer to capitalism.

Last time I checked, the President is the head of the military.  He can order nuclear weapons be fired all in the comfort of his own office.  I don't think Robert Mugave or any South African countries could ever do that.  You really think he couldn't do some major damage if he went nuts and decided to go rogue?  I don't understand your logic.

Once again, you are giving isolated examples.  I don't disagree that some socialist leaders have used their power in authoritative ways.  But does that have anything to do with them being socialist?  All of the countries we have mentioned were unstable and had extremely poor populations.  Do you really think that is a coincidence? 

Point me to an example of a stable, modern, industrialized, socialist nation whose government has turned against its citizens.  I agree that unstable, backwards, developing nations are more likely to have people in power abuse their citizens.  But that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the country is capitalist or socialist.

We're going to be stable forever?  We're not even that stable right now.

Putting in a bunch of controls and gettng people more used to and accepted to have government control their lives leads to trouble.

Also.  Russia was stable, modern, industrialized and socialist... and Putin has taken control... and people are happy... espiecially the young people.

 

Russia wasn't socialist.  They were communist.  Not to mention Russia was incredibly unstable.  Do I have to remind you that its entire government collapsed two decades ago?  Not to mention it had massive social uprisings that completely redistributed the balance of power a few decades prior.  I don't think Russia was ever the model of stability.

Anyways, the U.S., the Western European nations, and some Asian nations like Japan are really in the post-industrial phases of their economies more so than the industrial phases.  So I should have said post-industrial rather than industrial.  That was my mistake.  Post-industrial nations are developed countries that are dominated by the tertiary and quaternary sectors of their economies rather than the primary and secondary sectors of their economy.



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