Do You Think Obama is a Socialist... Do You Care?

[Kasz216]

Rath said:

Kasz216 said:

famousringo said:
No, the people and the state are no where near the same thing. The power of the state may flow from the people, but that isn't necessarily the case. Ask the citizens of Iran if they think the state represents them.

At its most rudimentary level, the state is one thing only: A monopoly on the use of force.

The nazi's were facists no?  The poster childs for it.

They were in fact socilists as well... why.  What's best for the governmen is best for the people.  Or was in there minds.  Which is how any socialism is going to go when times are rough or money is rough.

The difference between facism and socialism is how well off your doing.

There is a lot wrong with this post.

 

Firstly facism is largely based on its authoritarian and nationalist views, not on its economic viewpoints.

Secondly facism is actually usally corporatist, not socialist.

Thirdly the Nazi's, despite their name, were never really very socialist. Their policies never even really ambled towards socialism.

 

You can have a capitalist democracy or a socialist democracy. You can have a capitalist autocracy or a socialist autocracy. The two things aren't even really on the same scale.

The Nazis economic viewpoints were very socialist... and in fact were the focus of their party.  That's how they came to power.

Their economy was actually trying to promote a "third way" between capitalism and communism which they both saw as wrong.

Since there economy was bad... it was for the good of the people to be subjected for the state until the state was in good condition.

Hence why the people even voted for it.

 

What happens in nations with high socilism when they can't afford to pay for their programs anymore?  Probaby the same that happens in Nazi germany.  The government takes over the means of production of those industries.  (Though private buisnesses still owned their companies... it meant nothing.)