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Soriku said:
The Baten Kaitos games got some good reviews, but IMO they're 90+ games (the first Baten Kaitos is an 80+ game to me though) and they're not rated high enough.

By card games I mean something like the Yugioh games where you put cards on a field and they fight for you. In BK your commands are magnus/cards but characters don't actually use cards in battle, the characters attack with a sword/gun/fists/whatever like normal.

Great games with great stories, characters, music, and some of the best plot twists ever.

Yogi the bear? I am sorry, but we aren't talking the same language here. I don't know what BK or magnus is. Do those characters develop by grinding or do you just get better characters?