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Its still in "Beta" mode, i think.

Anyay, what more do you want for free?

Something good.

Just because you dont think its good, doesnt mean it isnt.

You didn't HAVE to download it and you dont HAVE to go on it, so i dont see the problem.

Its an optional, free service what a lot of people like to use.

For some reason, many people complain about a service that isn't forced upon them. I don't understand it either, but to each his own, right?

So we can't give our opinions on Home because it isn't forced upon us?

If you have a problem with the service, simple, DON'T USE IT...But why bitch about it in the interim?

I wonder though, if it wasn't a Sony service, would you have even replied to me? Doubt it...

Don't worry, we're not using it. Why bitch about it? Because I would rather be using something that was better than Home if Sony had put its resources elsewhere.

I would have much rather had those resources go into something like The Getaway, and that's why I'm bitching.

As for you second line, don't turn this into a Sony Vs Microsoft thing. Firstly, it's unnecessary, and secondly it shows weakness in your argument, having to divert the subject and actually get in with snide attacks on the personality of the poster, rather than making more arguments against the poster's point.

First off, who mentioned Microsoft? And I don't see how I attacked him, but whatever...

Second, if you would have rather had those resources put else where, I got news for ya, that's YOUR problem. Obviously, Sony saw this service as useful and many people use it. The service won't die because a select few choose not to. If you want the Getaway, send an E-Mail to Sony. Otherwise, your "bitching" will get you no where.

Frankly, I don't see your argument, the service is remaining. You can deal with it, or get no where, your choice...

No, it's not just my problem, it's everyone's problem. What you seem to be failing to understand is that had Sony invested this money into something like the Getaway, or even into a decent marketing program, they could have had a much higher return on their investment, allowing them to invest further into other projects.

It's not as black and white as "it's making money now, what difference does it make" (not quoting anyone in particular), because the initial money that they spent could be making MORE money now, allowing them to spend more money on other projects, it's a circle. A poor investment of money hinders further investment.

And I won't send an email, because I live in the real world, and I know that sending that email will be about as useful as a cat-flap in an elephant house... at least debating it here will yield discussion and people reading what I have to say.

Finally, if you can't see my argument, you must actually be blind. At the very least this would mean that your posts are also worthless, as you're opposing an argument that you can't even see.

*sigh* Let's try again....

Ok....... A. how do you know The Getaway would have been successful? You don't. You'tre putting your personal feelings in with what could/or could not have happened.

B. There reason why I say I don't get you is because, if YOU don't like a service, how does that affect everyone else? If you don't like HOME, it has no bearing on me, so how does it affect everybody? I didn't mention HOME making money either, so take that up with whoever mentioned it. In fact, my point has been crystal clear from the get go. What YOU see as a poor investment is your opinion, not a fact. For your statements to be true of the money they invested, you'd have to know the amount. Since you, (nor I) don't, that's moot.

C. You can call me blind, dumb, stupid whatever, I'm used to being labeled on here. It doesn't change the issue at hand. HOME is not something you HAVE to use, and if you don't like it, stay away from it. That's what you're failing to do, it's not a service you have to use, why complain....?

Sorry for the long response time, my parents have just got back from Hong Kong.

A) I used The Getaway as an example, I also mentioned spending more on marketing.

B) I know it's my opinion, that's assumed by the fact that I said it. If it weren't opinions, there'd be no point in debating the issues - you can't debate facts. But I will say this: it doesn't matter if we don't know exact figures - we can assume that the cost is in the millions by virtue of the fact that most projects this generation has a cost in the millions, and that the money could have seen a much greater return if it was spent on, say, marketing, or signing some exclusive contracts on large IPs (exclusive maps on MW2 would see a huge boost in sales, for example).

C) At what point did I say that I have to use Home? I'm complaining because I feel (see, I've now got to start putting in extra words so that readers know that it's my opinion) that I, as a consumer, would have benefited more if Sony had put their resources elsewhere. I don't understand how you can "fail" to see my point. I'm not debating the service itself (I can't stand it, but that's not what I'm debating), I'm arguing that Sony would have been wise (or wiser) to invest elsewhere.

@SamuelRSmith

 

with your statement you just stated signing Exclusive on large Ip's..think about that for a sec. Sony with Home is already doing that think about the very fact that the Enviroment within Home is setup for such that very reason you just pointed out.

EA : sports

CAPCOM

Big Companies with IP's.

your Quote:

we can assume that the cost is in the millions by virtue of the fact that most projects this generation has a cost in the millions, and that the money could have seen a much greater return if it was spent on, say, marketing, or signing some exclusive contracts on large IPs(exclusive maps on MW2 would see a huge boost in sales, for example) 

Good point.

Though I will rebuttal it with: How big of a boost in sales has getting EA Sports, Capcom, etc, to make this exclusive Home content? I mean, how many copies of their games, and how many consoles did this push? However, what if Sony had spent the money on getting some kind of exclusive content for Madden, or Street Figher/Resident Evil... how many sales would this have pushed?

And I think this is the crux of our argument. I believe that they would have benefited more from the second statement, rather than through the first.