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SciFiBoy on 25 July 2009
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SamuelRSmith said:
SciFiBoy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
SciFiBoy said:

thats the impression i get of Labour aswel, lol, although they even gave up the ecenomic stuff under blair!

Well, they had to, else they would suffer the same fate as the Liberal party.

The fact of the matter is, the Labour party does better off of the working class. Since 1950, the working class has halved in proportion (it used to make up 2/3s of the electorate, now it only makes up 1/3). Labour didn't always win elections when the working class was so large, they would have no chance now under the old Labour, as much as it pains me to say it.

There's a reason why Margaret Thatcher lasted so long, and why Major kept on Conservative rule until the Blair reforms, and that reason is that Old Labour became weak, and they were unwanted by the electorate.

i dont know, i think there are more liberal people in the uk than you think, if there was a party like old labour, but with a better leader and a better understanding of there idealogy and how they would implement it and how it would benefit people, i think they could win an election.

I seriously doubt it, myself. And I think the odds will be greatly stacked away from Labour in the future.

If it wasn't for Scotland and Wales, England wouldn't have had a Labour Government EVER until 1997 (and even that wasn't until the Blair reforms). And now, the Conservatives are making massive gains in Wales, and parties like the SNP are taking Labour votes in Scotland.

What's more, there's been a lot of talk recently about shrinking the number of MPs. This will be done by lowering the number of seats, particularly in inner-city areas and in Wales and Scotland - both of which are typically more pro-Labour, and as such, this kind of move will weaken the party even further.

Also, David Cameron has promised to look into the West Lothian Question when the Tories get into Government - this will weaken the powers of Scottish MPs, and thus weakening the power of any Labour whip, or something like that, on many English-only issues.

It doesn't look good for New Labour, atm, let alone 'old' Labour.

ok, what about another party with Liberal ecenomic views? or social views even?

btw, if Labour do diminish significantly, wouldnt that make us a de-facto dictatorship? as only the Conservatives would get in, no-one else seems to vote for 3rd partys, even the Lib Dems dont look like getting anywhere near being elected?