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SamuelRSmith said:
SciFiBoy said:

thats the impression i get of Labour aswel, lol, although they even gave up the ecenomic stuff under blair!

Well, they had to, else they would suffer the same fate as the Liberal party.

The fact of the matter is, the Labour party does better off of the working class. Since 1950, the working class has halved in proportion (it used to make up 2/3s of the electorate, now it only makes up 1/3). Labour didn't always win elections when the working class was so large, they would have no chance now under the old Labour, as much as it pains me to say it.

There's a reason why Margaret Thatcher lasted so long, and why Major kept on Conservative rule until the Blair reforms, and that reason is that Old Labour became weak, and they were unwanted by the electorate.

i dont know, i think there are more liberal people in the uk than you think, if there was a party like old labour, but with a better leader and a better understanding of there idealogy and how they would implement it and how it would benefit people, i think they could win an election.