Warning from the President!

[SamuelRSmith]

TheRealMafoo said:

SamuelRSmith said:

Kasz216 said:

SamuelRSmith said:

TheRealMafoo said:

ph4nt said:
Health care in the UK is abysmal from what i've heard.

A lot of places in Europe with socialized medicine have it way worse than America, having to wait months and months for the simplest things.

God help us if Obama socializes health care.

I also hear that they calculate how much it cost to keep you alive, and then base it on that. The number I head was $22,000 for 6 months.

So if you have something that medication can keep you living for years on, but it cost more then 44,000 a year, you get to die.. yay.

Also, they ration things. One I heard was this eye drop medication that cost a ton. It will keep you from going blind, but being they have to have enough to go around on fixed cost, they just put it in one eye. This way twice as many people get the medication.

In the US, these types of things are unheard of, and down right despicable.

If you're talking about the UK, you hearing wrong.

I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting rejected because they've spent too much, nor have I heard about the eye drops thing. Hell - I was eye drops for a while for my glasses (dunno why).... and I sure as hell had it in both my eyes.

And that was under a Tory Government....

Both of you guys actually need to get out an go to a UK hospital (seriously, help out our tourism ), you guys have many false conceptions about waiting times, quality of care, etc. in "socialised" health care systems.

I'vre read both.  From UK newsources.

Then something happened to one of the guys with a glass eye.

Additionally it is well documented that local NHS offices often ration drugs and there are many drugs not approved simply for cost reasons.  People of different demograhics DO get treated differently.

Shitty thing to pay all your life to NHS and not get treatment because you didn't get cancer until you were older.

It's all under "guidence"

Yeah, you've read both, we've had this before. You brought up about 20 articles, could probably find a couple hundred more.

But thousands and thousands of people benefit from the system each and every day. As SciFiBoy said, there isn't a system that won't fail people.

If what you read was more the norm, then you wouldn't be reading it at all, particularly from UK news sources, as it wouldn't be news.

 

I was looking for the percentage of people in the UK who have private insurance, and came across this financial article.

 

http://www.financialadvice.co.uk/news/4/insurance/11138/Have-you-considered-taking-out-private-health-insurance.html

 

The purpose of the article is to just talk about if it's sound financial advice toby private health insurance, but this like is the one that made me post it:

 

"While there are significant benefits from private health care insurance there are obvious costs associated which need to be considered."

 

Those "significant benefits" are the ones we here in the US all get, if we have insurance.

 

And that's where we differ in philosophy. In the US, everyone with health insurance gets far better care then people in the UK. Some people (uninsured) might get worse.

 

But that's there fault. A very large percentage of people without insurance chose not to get it. Every able person in the US had the avenue to put there lives in a position to have insurance, and chose not to.

 

I would like to see a graph of the number of people who are negatively impacted by the UK vs US system, and see how much they differ.

 

Let's just say it;s 10% for both. The 10% effected in the US are there because they as people didn't do enough in life to put themselves in a position to afford it.

 

The 10% in the UK are people who did everything right, but just fall into a bad statistical category.

 

I will take the US system any day. Give me the ability to earn better healthcare, and then force me to earn it.

 

My life, in every way, is better then if I lived in the UK, only difference is I had to earn it. In the UK, a lot of it is given to you (why you don't have the option to earn what I have).

I'm not going to argue with you, I just want to address that last sentence which I would disagree with. I come from quite a wealthy area in the UK, and I know of a lot of people who have earned a hell of a lot, I know of 3 millionaires, and quite a few people who are considered to be really wealthy. They managed to succeed just fine in this country under our current system, and some of them even came from backgrounds where they lived on welfare.

Hell, my own family is testament, both of my parents came from relatively poor backgrounds, living on welfare, that kind of thing. I've just said bye to my dad, as he's flying to Hong Kong to meet some of his business partners and check up on some of his factories in China.

We used to have private health, actually. But it didn't offer any real benefits to us, so my dad canceled the policy and we went back to NHS treatment. However, I'm also quite lucky in the sense that all of the hospitals, doctors and clinics in my area are the highest ranking in the country.