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Its a shame MS entertainment divisions are tied togheter with bunch of different products. therefore we never get a clear picture.

I think its safe to assume that Ms is not making or losing money on consoles. They may make lots of money on Elite, a little bit on the pro and lose some on arcade...

So all 360 revenue for this quarter should come form game/online sales and licencing fees. Xbox live memberships as well... If they ad any heavy R&D they may post a slight loss again IMO.