MontanaHatchet said:
No, we weren't the land of the free. We were the land of opportunity. It's funny how we both have to correct each other. Ireland had the famine. No jobs, no food. People from the country came here in droves because we presented opportunity. They couldn't care less about free speech and freedom of religion. During the early years, the U.S. was a battleground of hate and oppression. People were killed just for being different. I am so sick of your "small government is everything BS." Stop it. If you want to preach that crap, don't preach it to me. Look at history. The U.S. succeeded because of some major reasons: -Resources not available in the rest of the world -Cheap labor -Mass immigration -Large land mass and quick growing population Commerce exploded in the U.S. because either you work for dirt in the U.S, or have no work in your home country. Back in the 17th and 18th centuries, the world was a sad, sad place. And it still is, but to a much lesser degree. People could work for money in the U.S. because it was growing very fast, and there was always new jobs. Small government isn't the solution to our problems, an economy that works is. That's what we don't have. Our economic growth is flatlining because our economy has been growing artificially for a long time. People have been racking up debt to buy things that they can't actually afford (and so has the government), and now our economy is bigger than is actually sustainable. There are two solutions: Grow our economy even more by nothing short of a miracle, or let it shrink down to reasonable levels. Cut the crap about government, and if that's how you're going to argue this, I'm not even going to bother responding. It's the same old shtick over and over. |
It’s the same thing over and over, because the problem is still the same. In 20 years, when I argue this, it will be the same argument.
Why did out economy outgrow itself? Government.
In every economy, there is going to be growth, and retraction. That’s an economy that works. In the US, before 1929, we have 4 depressions, and many smaller recessions. Government never stepped in to try and fix the problem. The reason is back them, when bad shit happened to you, no one even though to look to federal government to solve the problem. They were just a small group of people who managed relations with other countries, defined a universal currency, and managed federal laws (and there were not that many of them). Hell, we didn’t even have income tax until 1913 (and then it was 1-3%).
Now if anything happens, and I mean anything, we look to government to fix it. We have social security in case we get old and have not done what it takes to live past our usefulness. We have welfare in case we don’t want to work. We have healthcare in case we don’t have our own. The government manipulates every aspect of commerce to try and help the poor, and make sure the economy does not enter a recession.
Why do we put all the responsibility in the hands of government?
Cut the crap about it not being government, and if that's how you're going to argue this, I'm not even going to bother responding. It's the same old shtick over and over.
