If your poor, good news. The rich are paying your healthcare.

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SciFiBoy said:

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TheRealMafoo said:

All welfare protects people from, is success.

orly?

Noel Gallagher and JK Rowling were on welfare...are you saying they arent successful?

You don't actually think an anecdote like that proves anything right?

I mean you do know what a statistical outlier is? It would be unusual if you couldn't point to some exceptions.

 

true, but his statement is just as bad, he's implying that anyone on welfare can never be successful, i proved that they can, yes to be successful on the level of the 2 people i mentioned is rare, but i dont think its fare to say that welfare stops success at all, far from it, it just means you get support when your not successfull.

It's a little extreme to say his statement was absolute but if he intended it that way then you're right. 

Ulimately it's true that people who have the skills to make it can (and do) go through tough times but it's also true that these people are far from a majority of the people on welfare.

If you don't think welfare can inhibit the drive to succeed in people just look at a lot of the communes that were started back in the 60's.  Most of those ended in turmoil around a small group of people pulling all the weight while others lazed about the place.  Any time you have a system that provides rewards for failure or lack of effort you're going to encourage people to do nothing and attract freeloaders.  It's certainly fair to say that this trap doesn't catch everyone and some people do retain the drive to succeed nevertheless but it definitely has the effect he is referring to on a subset of the population.

It's a subject of debate as to how many people fall into the trap but thats a whole other topic really.