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MontanaHatchet said:
 

How wrong you are. If you're going to give people a hard time, then get your facts straight. Lair was developed by Factor 5, yet published by Sony, making it a second party title.

Virtua Fighter 5 has sold 270k copies.

And everything else I guess was fine. But since the Wii has a far larger userbase, it has higher expectations.


 Isn't this missing the point though?  I don't know what the real distinction between 1st party and 3rd party is but if it is the case that a game developed by an independent company and is published by Sony is not 3rd party then that is a meaningless distinction.  It should be the developer that determines whether a game is 1st, 2nd or 3rd party.  The publisher should be irrelevant.  If Sony buys a company and that company develops a game then that should be 2nd party (irrespective of who published it).  If Sony in-house actually developed the game then its first party.  So eg Diddy Kong racing on N64 by Rare was 2nd party while Mario Kart 64 was 1st Party.  And the publisher of games also varies from region to region.

Anyway the argument is about whether independent developers can sell on a console.  If the game had the backing of Sony as publisher and still sold poorly then what hope is there for a game that is independently developed and does not have the backing of Sony as publisher.  Likewise if for example Pro Evolution Wii is published by Nintendo and it sells poorly it would be a refelection of a 3rd party (Konami) not selling well on Wii and not a 2nd party.