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akuma587 on 08 July 2009
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sguy78 said:
ManusJustus said:
sguy78 said:

Again, you are stating opinion as fact. You don't know that God has had nothing to do with the universe for 13 billion years. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it a falsehood. Where do you get these numbers of atheists being the most persecuted people on earth?

Athiests are the most untrusted group in America, even less trusted than Muslims after 9/11 (this study appeared on CNN, NBC, so it shouldnt be hard to find), and athiesm is a crime in many countries.

You're essentially asking me how do I know something that doesnt exist, doesnt exist.  Something that doesnt exist has no evidence of its non-existence, unicorns (mentioned in the Bible) do not exist so there is nothing we can find to prove it doesnt exist.  We can use what we do know, such as the law of physics, that tells us that a being with infinite energy and mass does not exist because if it did we could detect it.  Again, you could say that God resides in a different universe, but its unfounded to 'describe away' God, who was originally described as in our universe, outside of our universe.

So by your logic, you absolutely know there is no way there is any life on other planets because it can't be seen or proven. Just because you can't see something, or prove it exists, doesn't mean it does not.

You are totally missing the point of what he is saying.  The only reason we can't see that stuff is because of technological limitations.  God by definition is a supernatural entity who is in a different realm of reality.  Supernatural things are not something science could even begin to measure.

Compare that to natural phenomenon.  I've never seen a dinosaur.  All I've seen is the bones.  But I sure as hell know dinosaurs existed at some point.  I've never been to France.  I've only seen pictures of it.  But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



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