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ManusJustus on 08 July 2009
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sguy78 said:
ManusJustus said:
sguy78 said:

We were created in God's image, which means we are self aware, and have free will. An ant most likely barely has any thought other than self preservation, and survival. A robot is not life by the way.

We werent created in God image, we are the product of billions of years of evolution.  Our similarities in makeup is evidence of this (humans and ants share most organs) and our physical image is familar to apes and early hominids, which I guess would also have to be created in or similar to Gods image.  Would you consider Neanderthal to be created in God's image?  Still the intelligence of animals, such as monkeys or dogs, when compared to humans is nothing in comparison between a superior being and humans.

Robots that we have now are not life, but what about a hypothetical race of intelligent, reproducing machines?  And life itself is nothing more than small machines made of organic material.  Interesting enough we can actually make gears out of a few atoms, even though man-made machines are nowhere near as efficient as life's mechanisms.

You are stating that as if it is a fact. You do not know that God does not exist, and I'm sure that you don't believe he does. Why do you care so much whether others believe in God?

Nor do you know that God exists.  I know that God has done nothing in this universe for 13 billion years, I do not know about God's presence before the Big Bang or in other universes, but since religion is a product of social evolution (making patterns where none exists is adventageous and primitive man needed answers for things he could not explain) it is more logical to think of God as not existing as compared to existing and man discovering him by chance.

I care what others believe for the same reason they care what I believe.  It is adventageous (social evolution) for others to think like you, which is why humans constantly try to convince others to think like them.  A simple example would be that we want leaders to think like us so we try to convince others to think as we do, a person who wants to pay less taxes will try to convince others that paying less taxes is best and vote for a politicans who promises less taxes.

The same goes for me, other people's ideas have a direct effect on me.  Athiests are the most persecuted people on Earth, and even in America where it isnt a crime, being atheist will ostrisize you from many in society.  I also am subject to paying taxes to support religion, having to recognize others religion in everyday life, and have the threat of my children being taught falsehoods such as creationism and intelligent design from others.