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akuma587 on 29 June 2009
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elprincipe said:
akuma587 said:
Here are the actual cost estimates to dispel some of the misinformation:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2009/Jun/26/house_narrowly_passes_major_energy_climate_bill.html

The CBO estimated the bill would cost an average household $175 a year, the EPA $80 to $110 a year.

So, don't you guys agree that if you tax a behavior people are less likely to do it? I hear you guys say all the time that taxing rich people discourages investment. So wouldn't taxing the use of carbon based fuels significantly discourage people's use of those fuels?

And I don't see how you guys can argue that the government is not investing in alternative energy. The government is pouring TONS of movie into wind, solar, and also nuclear energy initiatives.

This CBO study is VERY suspect.  Even if you believe them (I certainly don't), they don't account for massive effects on GDP (trillions of dollars lost) and job losses (up to 2+ million per year).  Remember, under the insane bill that passed the House (certainly the worst piece of legislation passed by either chamber in my lifetime), we can expect electricity prices to double and gasoline/natural gas/home heating oil prices to rise by 60+ percent.  So remember that everything you buy will be 2+ times more expensive, since these things take electricity and fuel to produce and transport.  And you thought groceries were expensive now, wait until a gallon of milk is $9 on sale.  Thanks Congress!  Good thing we prevented that 0.5 degrees of warming by 2100!

Ironically Republicans in Congress didn't believe it either even though they regularly laud the CBO estimates when it makes Obama look bad.  But they certainly wouldn't pick and choose like that now would they.



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