Suspected U.S. Strike Kills at Least 60 in Pakistan

[Rath]

Kasz216 said:

Rath said:
@Mafoo. I'd say that saying the British 'surrendered' is a bit of a laugh, or that the Americans won. The war ended in a stale-mate with most of the fighting ending up in American territories, more American soldiers died and Washington DC was burnt. The end result was a treaty which essentially stated status quo ante bellum.

Considering the Americans had invaded Canada they hardly won given that they gained no territory and had the public buildings in their capital razed.

By that metric the US won vietnam, no?

For several reasons no. Firstly I never claimed Britain won the war of 1812, they merely didn't lose and they certainly didn't surrender. Secondly Britain didn't invade America in 1812, America invaded British territories. America did attempt to invade North Vietnam and got beaten up. Thirdly the war of 1812 ended with a treaty agreeing to status quo ante bellum, whereas Vietnam war not only ended with a clear defeat for one side it also ended with massive territorial changes so the status was highly different from the start of the war - America lost an ally.