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Torillian said:
But if we say "involves role playing" then I have to have that assinine argument with Stage again about how not being able to change the story makes it not playing a role. involving role playing is a very iffy and indistinct requirement in my book. My three requirements are very easily distinguished for whether they are in a game or not.

No, my definition of role-playing is pretty iron-clad. You play the role of a character, whether or not the only way you can change the outcome is win vs. lose. You can say that it's bad role-playing, but that is always, always role-playing.