Kasz216 said:
Sardauk said:
Scoobes said:
Sardauk said:
kowenicki said:
I think they are both a sing of opression and of the faith.... as, in my opinion, islam opresses women. |
Catholics also, but women fought back to gain some autonomy and recognition over the last decades.
I don't believe that burqa is a sign of faith in any f*cking way ! It is pure oppression to me and true moderate Islam has nothing to do with that.
I don't believe neither in women testimonies saying that they are ok with burqa....  .. they are either brainwashed or fear acts of revenge from their entourage.
Nobody can emancipate with that kind of restrictions...
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My understanding of Islam is that the Qu'ran only states that women should only cover there hair and shoulders. Most of the other interpretations are actually cultural and not religious. However, a lot of people see them as one and the same and can't distinguish between the 2.
We have to go back a long way to find the orginal reasons for a lot of the rules in all religions and a lot of the them seem to be forgotten. Yet many still follow the rules without understanding. In this case however, I think the restrictions are actually cultural, but people are just as willing to accept them due to tradition.
Please note that I haven't actually read the Qu'ran, and the info above comes only from what I've learnt from muslim friends and courses on understanding different religions.
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Yes you are right but I take the problem from the other side : In our modern society, I believe that the public sphere has to remain open.
Here in Belgium, we have quite a lot of young muslims from the first or second generation born in the country (parents are grand-parents are immigrants).
I see that they are really willing to abandon what they consider a family pressure about tradition/religion... when it fails, it is always because somebody else forced them too... especially the women ! And that is totally unacceptable.
IMO it is also binded to an improvement of their social condition. So when women are forced to live under those "strict traditions", it prevent them from reaching a higher social status.
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While not true on this board... nearly every atheist i've met in real life has been catholic.... despite my area being largely protestant. The harder cultural norms are pushed on people... the more they are going to reject them if possible.
The more you attack someoens cultural ideals... the more minorities who feel disfranchised are going to cling to them.
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Maybe, but the problem relies inside the given community.
People claim that the burqa is a personal choice of the women and that nobody forced them to wear it ... but in fact, they choosed to wear it as a personal protection which is even worst.
I'm enraged when I hear the position of the pope and what the vatican tells me to do, but it doesn't prevent me from being a catholic and having my vision of the faith.
It is not about religion, it is about having power and influences on people (see Iran for the moment...).
Muslims living in the West have to understand that ... anyhow their children are already changing the way they see their faith.
