Zizzla_Rachet said:
Reasonable said:
Legend11 said:
Reasonable said:
FKNetwork said:
BladeOfGod said:
FKNetwork said:
Activision will be the first of many, PS3 is a TOTAL disaster, always has been always will be, good on Acitivision I say, about time publishers had the balls to say what they really think, now they have came out and said this others will follow as they won't be worried about causing upset to Sony,
No price drop, hard and expensive to make games for, selling poorly, lowest install base, being outsold weekly by wii360, ps3 japan and u.s weekly sales numbers now at the lowest point since 2007, most multiplatform games STILL run/look better on 360 (ghostbusters anyone), high royalties for publishers, charging publishers for PSN bandwidth, list goes on,
Expect Activision to be the first of many, this will be the ultimate downfall and final blow for Sony, bye bye PS3.........
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ROFL, keep dreaming
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Keep dreaming about what? nothing I said is incorrect and you know it,
Funny isn't it how all of a sudden ps3 owners don't like activision games anyway so don't care if they stop making games for the platform, PS3 fanboy damage control in full swing lmao....
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Even allowing for higher royalties, going by the numbers showing over 38% of Prototype sales launch week where from PS3 I doubt Activision is in any way, shape or form in a position it can abandon PS3 as a platform. Lose approx 35% to 40% of most titles sales and associated profits? Seems unlikely.
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Would that really be the case though? Every time there's a good 360 console exclusive that is also on PC or might be going to PC I notice a lot of PS3 gamers come in and say they'll play it on PC. Then there are the people that own both consoles and those that would be pushed to buy another console if they felt there were enough good games to justify buying another one.
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CoD4, etc. was on PC and that didn't hurt the PS3 sales. Other titles are console only of course. IMHO PS3 fans only say that when a title is 360/PC exclusive or if they genuinely play on PC for those titles anyway. I doubt many PS3 fans really buy on PC vs PS3 unless it was a FPS or RTS and they prefer those on PC.
While they might save some sales via PC I doubt all the PS3 owners who bought CoD4, WaW, Prototype, etc are going to turn to PC. They stand to lose a lot of sales and they know it. And while they could shift focus to 360/Wii on the evidence they still stand to lose a lot. If they did stop with PS3 releases Wii and 360 owners aren't just going to buy more titles because of that. And I doubt many PS3 players would turn to a Wii version of CoD, or invest in a 360 if they're diehard. Whichever way I look at it they seem sure to lose a lot of sales IMO.
Look, if they were really losing that much on PS3 they would jsut go ahead and pull support. They're not. I believe they don't want to. I believe they want more 360s and PS3s out there. Losing a platform is losing the install base. There is no signal at all that Activision would prefer anything other than more PS3s and 360s sold not less. I do believe they'd like better royalty terms and are willing to play rought/dirty, etc. to get 'em.
The PS3 install base is already too large to abandon IMHO. The sales split is too large for most titles, and for some titles its probably closer to a 50% split - note that while FPS, etc. skew to 360 thanks to US a number of other genres result in more or less 50% split across PS3 and 360 thanks to selling more in Others and Japan. So in some cases they could be looking to lose nearly 50% of the potential sales.
Neither the 360 nor the PS3 is dominant. The 360 has a nice lead, but apart from a spurt since the price cut most of that is simply time adjusted, and any big developer like Activision knows that (plus I'll be amazed if FFXIII and GT5 in Japan and Others don't close the gap a fair bit). Activision must know the PS3 hasn't even peaked yet - heck the 360 probably hasn't yet.
They're simply looking to take advantage of the current situation to try and force some concessions from Sony. They might get 'em (not the price cut but something around royalties) or they might not. Whether they do or not they're not going to pull the plug on the PS3 (and I doubt they'll pull the plug on the PSP or PS2 either).
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They would also lose a 100% of the cost...So how exactly would they lose 50% of sales....If for the most part the games sell more on the Xbox 360...Exclusive development for the 360 would cut their cost dramaticly..It's the point he is making when we speaks of the revnue return
PS3 is over 10 mil in UK..I think the GT and FF base are already there....But I can not know for sure...
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I may be misreading you post - but to lose 100% of the cost then the cost of the PS3 version would have to exactly match the 360 - i.e. if the title cost $10M then it cost another $10M on PS3. This is extremely unlikely. Ages ago Ubisoft, for example, were citing releasing on 360/PS3 as having an approx 10% overhead on development - i.e. if the game cost $10M then you could take the view it would cost another $100K to get a PS3 version.
I was talking about sales revenue.
A large company has to be profitable, it also has to be large - i.e. they would lose sales units and sales revenue if they didn't support PS3.
Don't be fooled by looking at very old releases, look at something like Wolverine or Prototype. The PS3 sales units aren't far behind 360. Without PS3 version those titles weren't going to suddenly sell more anywhere else (360, PC, etc). So Activision lose those sales and associated revenue and profits.
What some are arguing is this makes sense, as they could be more profitable - which is true. However they then would likely lose their position as the largest publisher right now as that also depends on size - sales volume.
Therefore I doubt they'd drop PS3 unless they were making a loss on recent games, which I doubt because:
a) I doubt having Wolverine, Prototype and recent games on PS3 cost double development of just having them on 360 - I find it hard to believe it added more than 20% max to the development cost
b) I doubt Sony royalties are that high they can't make a profit off the PS3 sales of Wolverine, Prototype, etc. If they were then Sony would have to adjust them as it needs profitable developers working on the platform (BTW I think the royalties is the real issue for Activition here)
c) I don't believe they want to lose the volume of sales they've seeing on PS3 for most decent titles at the moment
d) I don't believe they want to limit themselves to US (even though arguably most of their titles do best there) as I believe they want to remain biggest if they can and they'd be hadning EA, etc. an easy weakness to exploit if they stopped supporting a platform that can sell more units of games in Others and Japan
e) I don't believe it!
Basically, I don't believe they're trying to do anything other than get their royalty payments adjusted and try and actually grow PS3 install base. Frankly, I'm amazed that, looking just at sales split of Wolverine and Prototype, and with the iminent hugeness of MW2, anyone thinks they would seriously drop support. The only valid justification would be the PS3 platform dying, and again I just believe we're past the point of that happening. There are too many titles coming that are big exclusives over next 12 months, and very probably a price drop, for PS3 to suddenly collapse in the 2010, etc. timeframes Activision cite.
