Rise of atheism: 100,000 Brits seek 'de-baptism'

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ManusJustus said:

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The expectation that prayer must be fulfilled that makes your initial statement incorrect.

On the issue of discovering that someone else has beaten you to a discovery you fail to note the difference and the flaw in your logic.  In your example someone else has found and shared the discovery, as far as I know god has not shared all of his discoveries with us.  As I said it is that act of sharing the discovery that gives it meaning, not simply discovering it and being unable or unwilling to share it.

No, my initial statements are still correct.  People are asking God for something in prayer, and they wouldnt be doing so if they didnt want it and think it could be provided.

Your ideas on dicoveries is misguided, and simple life experience make this blatantly apparent.  No one wants to rediscover things or invent things that are meaningless.  No one is trying to discover electricity, this has already been done.  No one is trying to invent the radio, this has already been done.  So what are people trying to invent and discover?  New things that are improvements that have meaning.  People working on discoveries with electricity are trying find new ways to use it, people working with radios innovations are trying to improve them in some way.

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Lets reach an end of the discussion by very simply adhering to logical arguments. 

You keep focusing on the intent of a speculated individual's prayer to make your argument.  This is demonstrably faulty logic because the intentions of an individual cannot be demonstrated as a fact here and because an individual is not necessarily representative of anything but themselves.  Arguments based on the intentions of an individual are based on speculation and supposition about their intentions without authority and are therefor unreliable. Your argument on this matter is unquestionably illogical.

By the law of identity A is A and thus lazy people are lazy.  This is true regardless of whether they justify that laziness with their politics or their religion, the fact is they are simply lazy and this is not proof of any connection between their views and their work ethic.  As such there is no established link between politics or religion and laziness. If you have research that shows otherwise then post it.

Religions on the other hand can be reviewed independently and unlike speculating on intentions cannot be revised at the whim of either of us.  So my challenge to you is to name a single religion that tells its people that by praying for something they will be entitled to recieve it. 

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This paragraph is an incoherent argument.  Specifically the following sentence which is the basis for your entire comment:

"No one wants to rediscover things or invent things that are meaningless."

This discussion is not about whether people want to discover meaningless things, but about whether discoveries are made meaningless simply because god discovered them first (but did not share them). So if anyone is misguided in this discussion it is yourself. 

You've yet to make an argument of why god's existence would remove the meaning of invention and discovery from our lives.