All financial institutions to be run by the federal government.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Kasz216 said:

Avinash_Tyagi said:

Why does it skew the numbers? That number for the French included advanced degrees. Your simply spinning. That's all you've been doing this whole time. France has serious serious problems... a lot of which caused by the saftey nets. It's simple when your on welfare you don't really own anything... Wealth is the most important factor to success. France's social saftey nets provide more, but take away the oppurtunity to build wealth. Additionally Americans are more hardworking, but this has nothing to do with the government, but Frances positives do? Which are once again, not that positive in a lot of areas.

Ok, even with the advanced degrees in the US college grad unemployment in the US is around 5.9% at the moment, still higher than in france

How am I spinning, i've been showing data that supports my argument from the start.

Umm I never said france doesn't have problems, but I do point out how their safety nets have created more positives than negatives, and I have also pointed out how we have a lot of problems as well problems that could be solved by the implementation of more socialized nets, and so far you haven't shown that their negatives outweigh their positives or how those problems you've listed, like racial issues are due to the socialized nets.

Once again... at the moment... during something seen as a worst case unbelievably horrible scenario.

Horrible nearly worst case scenario = about as bad as France normally.

I don't see... "well the poor have better lives but they're more  likely to stay poor" as better honestly.  I see it as creating a permanent second class which tends to lead to anger, riots, loss of motivation and budget spending just to support the system... which is actually a number of problems with France today.

Since they spend about as much overbudget as we do... when we're fighting two wars.

It's short sighted to say france is better off... and even then it takes a severe economic downturn to say that.

No, because even with their high normal unemployment, they are one not only able to weather these problems better and are less volatile, but their systems in place are designed to give them a better outcome, hence why even with the higher unemployment most of the time, they still have a higher standard of living, because of the systems in place.

So you'd rather have the US version, which is that they have worse lives and are still likely to stay poor, with only a small possibility of improvement, that's not any better, in fact it may be worse.

Even when things are good for us, its not like France is suffering, they still have all thsoe systems to make sure that people are doing quite well, not to mention all that leisure time, and good health.

Also we've been accelerating our debts for quite some time Kaz, and nothing on the horizon shows our debt to be slowing down, so its not like we have our debt issues solved either.  We will need mcu hhigher taxes in the future and its not like we'll get anything in return out of it like they do.

anyways, its clear we aren't going to agree on this, plus its getting boring, so i'm done with this argument.