Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
I didn't use wikipedia, if you'll notice my figure is different than wikipedia's, so you still haven't shown me that my figure is only metropolitan, or that the US has higher life expectancy.
Also the figures you are listing are for college graduates, not those advanced degrees, my point was about advanced degrees, even in the US you'll find college grads without jobs, currently college grads, between the ages of 20-24 have 7.7% unemployment in the US, but a college grad is not a doctorate or an MD. So you still haven't shown that my point was wrong about having advanced degrees and being able to find a job.
Ah finally you show something to back up one of your claims, ok so according to BBC its 9.2 for those of french origin and 14% for those who are immigrants, ok, i'll grant you its an issue you're right on that. Ok, so so far you've supported one of your arguments, that those who are immigrants to france are worse off than those who are not immigrants, now, can you link that to the social safety nets? Because just saying its a racial issue is not enough to say that its because of the safety nets.
So i'm still waiting on that extra information that will prove your point about the flaws of social nets, because so far you've only shown that the racial problem is such that it affects even in spite of education, fair enough, but that alone is not an indictment of the nets.
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7.7% unemployment in the US. Note the 20+% uenmployment in france for people between 20-25
As for advanced degrees? Where is your proof? Show how more people in france have advanced degrees, and more poor people in france have advanced degrees.
Cause... i'm doubting that. I mean in the US if you are going for a graduate degree and are paying for it yoruself... your doing something wrong.
It's all been proven really. You just want to ignore it because it goes against your core beliefs.
It's better to not have a particular core belief and just believe in what ends up working better like I do.
Aferall as everyone on this forum knows, i support government saftey nets.
The difference is though, i recognize that a poorly done saftey net like France is worse then none at all.
New kinds of nets and ideas need to be created, but instead people cling to what exists and pretends it works because of ideological reasons as it's easier to repackage somethign old then come up with something new.
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The 7.7 are for college grads in the US, the 205 you keep showing is for all youth, being between the ages of 20 and 25 doesn't mean you have a degree,in fact you showed that college grads in france as a whole is 5%, smaller than the US's 7.7%
I never said more people have advanced degrees in France, they wouldn't since france has a much smaller population, 65 million vs. 310 million, so US will have more people with advanced degrees just because of it being five times more populous, I said if you have an advanced degree you will be able to find a job.
So far all you're proving is you can't read
So wheres the evidence that the safety nets are a failure?
Also on the argument of people working less hard, ok, all that shows is that there's a more laid back atmosphere in other countries and people don't work as hard as in the US.
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More people... on percentage... that's obvious.
I mean does France really have a better education system overall?
Why are you using only the young people number? Is it because you know the total college degree number for the US is much smaller. Always been less then half what unemployment is? Maybe that's why?
You're simply trying to talk your way out of something you know is true.
The US are more hardworking... why is that? Wait are you finally starting to admit that people in different countries are in fact... different? And that comparisons of different countries are problematic?
Funny when you were argueing this whole time that Europeon social saftey nets are better because of comparisons to the US. Quoting things like Life expectancy while ignoring the fact that people in the US are well... harder working for one (stress), have unhealtheir diets, higher murder rate... etc. etc. etc.
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No, i'm using the number, because the other figures for the US, include those with advanced degrees, college or higher, and they skew the data, the 20-25 figure is just those with college degrees and they have an unemployment of 7.7% vs. 5% in france, if you have a figure for all college grads, only, no advanced degrees, then show me, i'd love to see it.
No i'm not trying to talk my way out of anything, i'm serious, I haven't seen anything from you to show me wrong so far.
No, i'm using your figure, you say that the US workers are more productive per hour than the rest of the world, so i'm asking, ok, so what does that show except that they are more productive, and that other countries are less hardworking and more laid back?
You are arguing that we can't compare since they are different, but part of that difference is in the intervention of government, they have been more favorable to government for generations, andthe reason they are more favorable, is because it works, because they live it first hand. And i've been pointing out to you how having those interventions have been largely a good thing, so far I haven't seen you show me eivdence to the contrary.
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