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ManusJustus said:
HappySqurriel said:

The problem with "Helping" the poor in the way the government tends to do it is that it tends to translate into the poor being worse off in the long run ...

A union, who's unfunded liabilities and insane wages lead to the destruction of the company they work for, can benefit.

There definately forms of 'helping' that do worse in the long term.  However, healthcare and education are not one of those.  Healthy people are more productive workers, which benefits both the individual and the overall economy.  The same argument goes for education.

In regards to the bottom quote, its my opinion that both union workers and CEOs make more money than they are worth.

Oh... something to consider.

The US has more productive workers then anywhere in Europe on a per hour basis.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/03/business/main3228735.shtml

So... perhaps your wrong on this.

Perhaps socialized healthcare and saftey nets cause people to not work as hard?