WessleWoggle said:
Sqrl said:
I'm very familiar with the philisophical argument of simulism. But you are assuming that the existence of god necessarily implies that we are imagined and not actually existant. The assumption cannot be made because we have no direct knowledge of the nature of reality.
As for prayer I would ask if the people who have selfish prayers then sit and wait for god to perform these miracles while doing nothing to help themselves? I think you should refer to my last address to this point:
People who sit around waiting for god to show up and do things for them wait a very long time, and no religion actually advocates this idea which is truly where your argument stumbles. There may be misguided followers who would follow this indolent path to failure and then look to place the blame for their failure anywhere but themselves but if you intend to hold up these people as an example you should note that your original argument was a broad one and focused on god and thus religion as whole, not individuals who fail to exercise free will.
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Okay, we don't know the nature of reality. I don't know if a god exists or know if their existance matters when it comes to purpose. I don't think a gods existance matters when it comes to purpose, unless you have a problem with your purpose being finite. But, when it comes to an all powerful god, they can do anything and thus all we're pawns for the gods amusement... Unless the god limited his power and knowledge in some way, to give us free will.
As for prayer... I've been around too much faith healing. All they do is prayer, lay on hands, dash holy water, and wait. Useless. You're right though, I shouldn't generalize... But I did say, 'from my experience' did I not? :P
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On the first point we seem to agree.
On the second point you certainly did and I agree that some people misuse prayer but I was pointing out that this discussion is more specific in scope (trying to prevent an endless discussion is all).
PS - I did make an edit after your reply.
