USA vs the World

[mrstickball]

Avinash_Tyagi said:

mrstickball said:
Yes, but by the time missiles were raining in Tokyo, every critical railway in China would be destroyed. It works both ways, 'ya know.

About Red Flag (the event your citing about the Indians beating the Americans): I'd love for you to post the results of that competition.

There's been a recent Red Flag event to involve our F-22's against any and all takers. The F-22 had the most lopsided victory: 244 kills, 2 losses over the 2 week competition. That was against the best pilots in NATO. And that includes simulated enemy ADA and comm jamming.

You should read up on the Mig-21 Bison training with Red Flag. The reason that the Indians were able to do anything to American Red Flag pilots was due to the fact that the Bison has a very small radar cross section, and it's difficult to track. You must remember that India has one of the better air forces in the world, as their older aircraft are extensively upgraded with American, Israeli and Russian electronics. If you read up on the Red Flag event, the SU-30MMK's piloted by the Indians were ironically LESS of a threat than the 21's.

Oh i'm certain that we would deal the chinese a devastating blow if we ever attacked them, I just doubt that we'd actually win, also lets not forget that if we ever went to war with China, Nort Korea would probably pour troops over the border to try and take advantage of our distraction with China (and heck if I were the Russians, i'd be eyeing Ukraine hungrily at that point)

Actually at the event the IAF were using only SU-30MK's, they've since upgraded them to MKI, but you're right about the Mig-21 Bisons being heavily upgraded over the stock mig-21, the cope mock combats had India winning nearly all of the mock combats as I recall, i'll have to see if I can find the actual results.  Also India has done well againt the RAF as well in multiple mock combats, even beating out the Eurofighter.

Well yes the F-22 is probably the best fighter in the world, it better be for how much the damn things cost, ironically, they may never be used in actual combat, such a waste of money.

You know, I thought that we'd never use the B-2 spirit. They cost $1 billion USD a pop, and we didn't flinch when we used 'em during the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts.

The idea of the US 'losing' a conflict against China would be a strange inccedent. I don't think the US would lose, other than popular opinion forcing us to withdrawl (ala Afghanistan)....But I don't think we'd do enough to occupy Chinese territory unless we were able to deal with casualties on the scale that we haven't seen since Vietnam.

The IAF is VERY impressive, given their military funding: They've gone a very impressive route of melding American, Israeli and Russian technology into their aircraft, and are (IMO) one of the best....They don't have the numbers we have, but they do have some of the best aircraft out there, thanks to Israeli electronics suites which are better than ours.

NJ5 -

Carriers are VERY difficult to sink, at least American ones. The reason isn't so much the carrier itself (which is pretty fearsome, given the armament due to the number of planes), but what surrounds the carrier: (from Wikipedia)

• A supercarrier commanded by an aviation community captain (O-6) who reports directly to the commander of the CSG. The carrier provides a wide range of options to the U.S. government, ranging from simply showing the flag, to attacks on airborne, afloat and ashore targets. Because carriers operate in international waters, their aircraft do not need to secure landing rights on foreign soil. These ships also engage in sustained operations in support of other forces. The carrier is the flagship of the battle group, with the commanding rear admiral on board, making use of the advanced combat direction center and communications suite.
• A carrier air wing (CVW) commanded by an aviation community captain (O-6) (or colonel in the case of a Marine serving as CAG) who reports directly to the commander of the CSG and is known as the "Commander, Air Group" (CAG). The carrier air wing typically has up to nine squadrons commanded by a commander (O-5) (or lieutenant colonel if a Marine squadron). The CAG and CO of the carrier are equal in status under the Commander of the CSG (historically, before 1983, the CAG was a department head under the Captain of the ship, but Secretary of the Navy John Lehman created and instituted the concept of a "Super CAG" with the same seniority as the CO of the carrier).
• A destroyer squadron (DESRON) commanded by a surface community captain (O-6) who reports to the CSG commander and commands the escort ships.
• One to two Aegis guided missile cruisers (CG), of the Ticonderoga class—a multi-mission surface combatant, equipped with BGM-109 Tomahawk missiles for long-range strike capability.
• Two to three guided missile destroyers (DDG), of the Arleigh Burke class—a multi-mission surface combatant, used primarily for anti-aircraft (AAW) and anti-submarine (ASW) warfare, but it also carries Tomahawk missiles for long-range strike capability.
• Up to two attack submarines, usually of the Los Angeles class; in a direct support role seeking out and destroying hostile surface ships and submarines. More frequently, however, the submarines will try to maximize their advantages in stealth by operating independently in support of the battle group.
• A combined ammunition, oiler and supply ship (AOE/AOR), usually supply (T-AOE); provides logistic support enabling the Navy's forward presence: on station, ready to respond.^[4]

So essentially, the carier has not only the carrier itself loaded with dozens of plans, but also includes a destroyer squadron, 1-2 Aegis crusiers, 2-3 missle destroyers, 2 attack subs, and an oil tanker. Add that all together, and you have a group of walking death, ready to repulse just about any kind of threat: Aegis crusiers deflect ASMs, destroyers attack shore-based defenses, the carrier can repel other ships and airforces, and the 2 subs can deflect other threats, while the carrier can arm their planes with anti-sub depth charges.