Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Remember .995 and .991 are aggregates of multiple measures Kaz, including GDP per capita, so yeah its probably a substantial difference.
Actually no, that's not true, many of these countries have comparision figurres from where they were before the implementation of welfare and similar social programs to where they are now, and the values of poverty for example have gone down.
Even other european nations like france outstrip US in those measures KAZ, as does Canada and Japan, so even countries that can't copy the Swiss or the Norweigians manage to do a better job of supplying a standadrd of living than the US.
I'm not fixed in my viewpoints, its just that I haven't seen anything from you or anyone else that shows my view is wrong. I've pointed out many examples where government interevention does not harm a nation and in fact in many ways helps.
Maybe the US can't copy Denmark, but what about Canada? Canada's HDI figures is quite high and their GDP per capita PPP isn't that far below the US's they also have more robust social programs than the US.
Not all the countries with robust social programs and strong standards of living are so heavily different than the US, even the US has an economy almost 70% service based,most of the nations we've been discussing are in that range as well, around 70% service based
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Only in some measures I'm sure.
Things like unemployment and econimic growth have shrunk.
You are talking about an improvement for a small part of the population, with a decrease for the rest of the population... WITH a decrease in responsibility for those people who have received the increase. That's basically what your talking about when you talk about with your measures.
The thing is... socialized saftey nets DOESN'T work for most nations that well... hence why countries like France are desperetly trying to copy countries like Denmark. The bigger a country gets the more and more unwileldy and unworkable socialised saftey nets are.
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You keep harping on the idea that socialized safety nets harm economic growth and employment and that big countries can't do it, but you are wrong, currently US has an unemplyment rate of 9.4%, france has an unemployment rate of around 8.7%, the eurozone has an unemployment rate of 9.2%, so where are the employment gains from our current system? On the other hand poverty has fallen in many of those nations by over 20% due to the implementation of the Welfare state, France has had a reduction of around 26% poverty, and their poverty rate is much less than ours. And while their GDP per capita is less, they have a higher life expectancy and higher HDI, so you're way off base if you're saying that the reductions in economic growth and employkent ae that great, heck right now they have better employment than we do.
Also you keep harping on size, but you forget the EU is far larger than the US, about twice the population and most nations in the EU have socialized safety nets that work quite well.
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