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TheRealMafoo said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

I would trade 4000 dollars to have reduced crime, universal health care and a better school system.  Part of their culture is the fact that government is more involved Kaz, and the fact that they only surrender a few thousand, to have a much better quality of life isin my opinion an excellent trade

I am glad you feel that way, but in a free country, you should not be allowed to pass laws that that force others to trade 4000 for those services.

It would be closer to ok if everyone paid 4000, but that's not how it works. Millions of people will pay nothing, and millions will pay the 4000 for them. That means a portion of this county becomes indentured.

I prefer not to trade my liberty for provisions. I would rather have the freedom to earn them myself.


Actually we already have them, their called taxes, and they are a requirement of society, if you don't like it you're welcome to move into the amazon or something and cut yourself off from society, then you will have all your freedoms

I am happy to pay 60% of my salary in taxes, if that's what it took for the government to protect me. I am not happy to pay 1% for the government to provide for me.

Taxing people should be to collect the funds required to run the county for it’s intended purpose. To protect individuals. It should never be collected to provide for individuals.

That’s why the US is not called the motherland or the fatherland. Those titles are reserved for communist, socialist, and fascist countries.

We used to be called The Land of Opportunity, because our government didn’t take from its people to provide for them. It allowed the people the freedom to prosper and provide for themselves.

I would love to see those freedoms returned to me, so we could once again be called The Land of Opportunity.

Land of opportunity is a phrase Mafoo, opportunity exists whether the government taxes to provide social services for individuals or not, providing for services however makes sure that everyone can enjoy a minimum standard of living, after that its up to you.  I find it funny that you think that the government is somehow impeding your opportunity by doing that, if you believe that, then you are not capable of achieving truly great things.  As we have seen there are many who live in nations of Europe, and in Japan, Canada, etc. who achieve great things, taxes and social serivices will not take away America's opportunities, only people can take away their opportunity, providing for social services merely means people have a right to certain standard of living.



 

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