Jrpg vs. wrpg

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StanGable said:

Citan said:

StanGable said:
Citan,

If you're not willing to play Mass Effect and understand why it moved the RPG forward instead of stalling it like JRPGs then you have no room to say that Xenosaga is better. Also, I love JRPGs, but I admit that WRPGs have done much for the genre than JRPGs. JRPGs do have the potential to create great storylines, but that storyline will never change and to make a game that never changes is a lot easier than creating a game that will be affected by the way the gamer plays it.

Also, and to pretty much shut down your whole

obots, Science Fiction, 12-year old girls in swimsuits, Drama, action, comedy, sex, philosophy, love, hate, friendship and intertekstual references to Friedrich Nietzsche`s subjects, Carl Gustav Jung`s Analytical psychology, The Bibel, Jewish religion, German history and novels, Anime.

Number 1 - You keep mentioning all of these but you have not given a clear example of how t hey use that. I could basically copy paste this and say that ME uses them all, so by your definition Mass Effect is better.

Friedrich Nietzsche:

Der will zur macht.

Jenseit von gut und böse.

Also spracht Zarathustra.

 

 

 

 

I will not go into what it means for the story because it`s like  writing a novel, but it`s based on his philosofy.

 

 

Carl Gustav Jung:

The characters Nigredo, Albedo, Citrinas  and Rubedo is based on Carl Gustav Jung`s work "Psychology and Alchemy.

Still I won`t go further into what it means to the story.

 

 

Dreamvision based on Jung`s interpretation of dreams.

The Bibel and other religions:

Zohar, 666, Marienkind, Angels, Gnosissim, 13 doors in heaven. I could go on forever.

 

 

Other references:

German novel about the girl "Momo".

 

 

Frankenstein

 

This is just a small percentage of every intertekstual reference, but I will limit it. You understand this now, and me aren`t compareable on intertekstual references.
Number 2 - Mass Effect has been well received, in fact, critics have always put it amongs best in RPGs where as Xenosaga has not been received the same way

I agree. Me might have better gameplay, but as a story-driven game it`s  not comparable to Xenosaga. Why? Because of the intertekstual references.

Many reviewers don`t even understand the whole story, and reviews it on gameplay. Just try and play the series and tell me if you`re well read enough to understand Xenosaga.

 

 

No, you're not understanding. You point out at novels and claim that they in fact make Xenosaga better. What you're failing to do is explain how those novels are being used and why are they so important to the characters and the overall enjoyment of the storyline. 

Basically I can say that Mass Effect derived from all the novels written by Shakespeare, one of the most well known and respected novelist of all times.  In fact, I will go as far as to say that the main character in Mass Effect is based on Macbeth and by default I now can claim Mass Effect is better.

Also, whether or not Xenosaga's storyline was inspired by these works it still failed to lure the critics into immersing themselves with the plot. When you can get sucked into a story like that then you have a winning theme. Guess what? Xenosaga failed at it. Most critics thought the story was good but confusing, never being outsanding or memorable. Even you claim that the reviewers don't understand the story. Then we can conclude the developers failed at transitioning what they wanted to narrate to the player. 

Actually, I read the reviews for the Xenosaga games.  Most of them constantly praise the story.  A lot of the problems critics have towards the series is the lengthy cutscenes that tell the story and many of the gameplay elements, especially in Episoide II.  In fact, some people actually loved the cutscenes and hated the gameplay.